[ChrisLJ]

Apparently not simple enough for some people.

[dingo0602]

What's with the stupid update, it downloaded via iTunes but then just disappeared and now I can't locate it. Nor did it update the Touch :((

I'm an iPod Touch newbie, although I did buy the original Touch.



Helpppp

[Chris Breen]

Select the iPod in iTunes and, while holding down the Option key, click Restore. In the dialog box that appears, navigate to:

your user folder/Library/iTunes/iPod Software Updates

and you should find the update in there.

[dingo0602]

Thanks, but I forgot to mention I was using Vista Business Pro. I tried following the steps there but it only allows me to select my iPod and then gives a message saying it won't update the firmware but just contacts et al.

[dingo0602]

Ok, I ran the whole update process on iTunes again and now it is updating the iPod.

Thanks again folks.

[zensunni]

[quote name='Chris Breen']
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zensunni said:

> Why is this free? I thought they were 'required' to charge?

>For the same reason an update from OS X 10.5.3 to OS X 10.5.4 is free and an upgrade from OS X 10.4 to OS X 10.5 isn't?

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Update versus upgrade. Pretty simple.

Can you provide a link that defines this supposedly obvious and universal difference between a software 'update' and 'upgrade', because I think the distinction you've made differs from vendor to vendor and that the words are actually at the end of the day the words are actually synonyms.

Regarding my original post, I questioned why this update (I'll even avoid the word 'upgrade' for your peace of mind) is free to iPod Touch users when they charged iPod Touch users for the 1.1.3 update, citing 'accounting rules' as the reason for the charge (even the linked article switches between referring to 1.1.3 as an upgrade and update, though officially it was called an update).

I argued against this then (we don't get charged for every incremental update to OS X, manufacturers regularly provide free firmware updates, etc), and I find it strange that Apple is now 'quietly', as Macworld reports, releasing a free update.

What, the accounting rules no longer apply?

[Chris Breen]

Oh please. How obvious does it need to be? Updates such as 1.1.3 (with the software pack) and 2.0 which include major upgrades (meaning additional applications) cost. Updates that include bug fixes and security tweaks don't. (But this isn't really about your lack of understanding, you just resent being charged for new features. Fine, don't buy the upgrade.)

[zensunni]

Chris Breen said:

Oh please. How obvious does it need to be? Updates such as 1.1.3 (with the software pack) and 2.0 which include major upgrades (meaning additional applications) cost. Updates that include bug fixes and security tweaks don't. (But this isn't really about your lack of understanding, you just resent being charged for new features. Fine, don't buy the upgrade.)

You actually think the accounting rules Apple says forced them to charge for 1.1.3 make this distinction? You're the one that harped on the difference between 'update' and 'upgrade', and now that I pointed out the difference in those words in meaningless, you become defensive and now say it's because new apps were included. Please, point me to this supposed accounting rule that makes this distinction between an update that includes new apps and an update that's just bug fixes and security additions. I expect more objectivity from a Macworld employee.

[Chris Breen]

Sorry man, I'm not going to play this game with you. Have a nice day.

[zensunni]

Chris Breen said:

Sorry man, I'm not going to play this game with you. Have a nice day.

I love it when someone makes very strong 'factual' statements and, when challenged to provide proof, refuses.

[Chris Breen]

Sigh... OK, start here. Then try this. For the differences between update and upgrade, go here.

You might also want to try this new thing called Google. It's a handy little tool that would have allowed you to discover all this on your own.

Now, we've pulled this far enough off topic. No more, please.