[venividivici]

What I want is not what we're getting. = New LED Displays not for PROs.
Marketing, is to create a need that does not exist. Definitely, these are Displays to be marketed, but not to all of us graphics professionals.
I know people may come and say that this display is fine for them, but I am talking about true graphic professionals, people that have to have monitors color calibrated in order to perform our jobs.
I remember in the mid 90's Apple's displays were all about ColorSync, and Apple pushed the graphic and visual designers to understand color. And now we get these displays, highly glossy, and no mentioning whatsoever of color accuracy.
I think, my waiting for the past four years for Apple to release highly accurate, but also feature rich displays is over. It is over because Apple is not fulfilling the graphic/visual professionals market anymore.
This elements are for people that work day-to-day with ICC's, colorimeters, digital proofs, profiles, presses, printshops...
Apple here is what your competition is:
* EIZO FlexScan SX2461W
http://www.eizo.com/...461w/index.asp]

* EIZO FlexScan HD2442W (dual HDMI and DVI, and HD1080p)
[http://www.eizo.com/products/lcd/hd2442w/index.asp]

* EIZO ColorEdge CG241W (dual DVI)
[http://www.eizo.com/products/lcd/cg241w/index.asp
* LaCie 526 LCD Monitor
www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?pid=10896
Photographers, DTP, MotionAnimation, Visual FX, Video people, we all would like to have professional Apple branded accurate displays, but I guess that's wishful thinking.
Apple was for the professionals and it bridged seamlessly to consumers, and now Apple has forgotten about us, the professionals.

[moose_n_squirrel]

tallscot said:

MacWorld really needs to edit this story so that it's clear this monitor is only for the laptops.

If this is true, then maybe that's good news, if it means...this isn't the Pro display refresh we were looking for.

[MacGod]

@hayesk:
"I don't think display port is just a pin configuration - it's a completely different protocol, making an adapter impossible. The MacBooks have cards that output display port, DVI, and VGA, so they can work with any display with an adapter."
Yeah, there's no way that this would be the case. That would render Apple's entire portable lineup incompatible with every single projector on the market. There will be an adapter. Hell, VGA and DVI are wildly different technologies (analogue and digital), and there are adapters.

[alansky]

I don't own a MacPro but I am shocked that Apple's new Cinema Display completely ignores their professional customers, who are still the only Mac owners (except for Mac mini owners) without built-in iSight cameras. Not to mention that the Cinema Display line has not been upgraded in more than four years. Sometimes I really don't know what Apple could possibly be thinking. Just goes to show that even the best sometimes suffers from head-up-ass disease.

[GregoriusM]

I don't know why people are wondering why this display is targeted for NOTEBOOKS???

This was a NOTEBOOK event, NOT a DISPLAY event, or a Mac Pro Event, or an iPhone event, etc.

It was a NOTEBOOK event.

In that light, I can see this new 24" LED display with a cool way to connect to your laptop as being a decent addition to Apple's lineup.

Anyone who was expecting other new displays and/or are disappointed that this one is targeted at the notebook user must not have read the invite that was posted on every Apple web site and blog in the world.

Cheers!

Greg

[RiversideGuy]

First, I remember the CRT days quite vividly... and one of the major reasons I went LCD as soon as I could was very much because of the nasty reflections the glossy surface CRTs gave us. We used to have NO CHOICE and put up with glossy. So in the big display, TYV/HD world what do we see? A shift BACK to highly reflective displays... WTF!
I think the reason is that glossy displays pop much more in the stores, especially when they are dialed into torch mode. Seems to me that the fruit is merely going along... glossy screens do make a far better in-store display to sucker in newbes...
Now we come to another issue, that of DisplayPort. DVI has been around forever (some may not realize that HDMI is the exactly same as DVI with additional lines to carry audio). DVI was simple... it's only job was to take digital signals from a device that can drive a display to a display (not unlike a pipe carrying water). What added value does DisplayPort bring to this? What is it about getting water from one place to the other have to do with re-engineering the pipe to be incompatible to both the source of the water and the faucet?
While on the surface I'd link this to machinations by them, DisplayPort was not cooked up by Apple, so I need to get to googling to figure out what it brings to the table.
What I DO know is that among dozens and dozens of friends and colleagues who use laptops, not one of them hooks it to a large display. This collection of folks run a large gamut from pure home use to work only road warriors. Some of them have huge amounts of discretionary money and yet none would ever consider buying a 900 buck monitor to go along with a 1300-200 dollar laptop.
As for me, I'm a desktop guy. My target is an 8 core MacPro with a standard config at 3.0GHz with a Nehalem chip inside. What I fear is that said machine (which we should see by end of year, or first quarter 09) would be DisplayPort only... forcing me into buying a new monitor for 900 bucks.

[montgomery_burns]

Is "Mini DisplayPort" an industry standard connector like the standard DisplayPort, or Apple's own proprietary twist on the standard, like their proprietary Mini DVI and Micro DVI?

[fribhey]

Paddy said:

There are adapters mentioned here:

http://www.aeanet.or...10141350AQTU048

it doesn't mention ANYTHING about adapters to use the display on macpros. the only adapters it mentions are for using other displays with the macbooks:

"Adapters are available for using the MacBook's Mini DisplayPort with older generation VGA, DVI/HDMI and Dual-Link DVI displays."

[Londoner]

fribhey said:

so basically those with macpros who have been waiting YEARS for a new display can't get one because it's only compatible with laptops?

What's wrong with the other three Cinema displays (20", 23" and 30") which have been around for YEARS and are specifically intended for the MacPro? Sure, they don't have built-in speakers, iSight camera and a mic, but most MacPro users wouldn't be interested in such consumer gadgets anyway, as MacPros are intended for professionals who need much higher quality speakers and aren't using Photo Booth or iChat.

[montgomery_burns]

It seems like every time a new display technology is available, Apple feels the need to go and make their own proprietary version of the connector, like they did with their Mini VGA, Mini DVI and Micro DVI.

Is this "Mini DisplayPort" an industry standard connector like the regular DisplayPort, or is it Apple's own proprietary twist on the standard, once again demonstrating Apple's obsession with making proprietary monitor connectors?

[smumac]

Today's announcements are just a sign that Apple has moved on from a company "for the rest of us" to one specializing in project for creative pros (those who stuck it out during the lean years) to a "brand" of cool toys for cool people. With the success of the iPod, Apple has moved more to this "brand" mentality.
We all know, most pros would not use the glossy display. Obviously, this product is not for you. We all know friends who will be blown away by how good "Transformers" looks on the their laptop or their new "green" display. This it for them.
We all know, pros tend to use Firewire for their drives and cameras. Obviously, this product is not for you. We all know a friends who need help plugging in their Casio camera or flash drive. This it for them.
Guess what? Apple is still a company for the "for the rest of us." Unfortunately, pros are not the "us" they are referring too.

[CheeseHead]

{quote}Now we come to another issue, that of DisplayPort. DVI has been around forever (some may not realize that HDMI is the exactly same as DVI with additional lines to carry audio). DVI was simple... it's only job was to take digital signals from a device that can drive a display to a display (not unlike a pipe carrying water). What added value does DisplayPort bring to this? What is it about getting water from one place to the other have to do with re-engineering the pipe to be incompatible to both the source of the water and the faucet?{quote}

Things change and they have nothing to do with Apple... They are just the middle man. It's a sign that Blu-ray is finally coming to the mac :).

Main reason to switch:

DisplayPort 1.1 adds support for High Bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) version 1.3. HDCP support enables viewing of protected content from Blu-ray and HD-DVD optical media over DisplayPort 1.1 connections.

{quote}What I DO know is that among dozens and dozens of friends and colleagues who use laptops, not one of them hooks it to a large display. This collection of folks run a large gamut from pure home use to work only road warriors. Some of them have huge amounts of discretionary money and yet none would ever consider buying a 900 buck monitor to go along with a 1300-200 dollar laptop.{quote}

People are willing to sacrifice screen size for portability, however, the standard desktop display today is 20" or greater now. Just about everyone I know docks their machine to a full size display when they are not mobile. A full display, standard keyboard, and mouse offer far better ergonomics and efficiency than a laptop will ever offer.
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[montgomery_burns]

CheeseHead said:

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DisplayPort 1.1 adds support for High Bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) version 1.3. HDCP support enables viewing of protected content from Blu-ray and HD-DVD optical media over DisplayPort 1.1 connections.

Can someone explain Apple's constant obsession with making proprietary display connectors: Mini VGA, Mini DVI, Micro DVI, and now Mini DisplayPort when the standard DisplayPort connector would have worked fine?

[CheeseHead]

{quote}Can someone explain Apple's constant obsession with making proprietary display connectors: Mini VGA, Mini DVI, Micro DVI, and now Mini DisplayPort when the standard DisplayPort connector would have worked fine?
{quote}

Aside from the iMac, Apple used the mini ports only where necessary. Now that all of the ports on the Macbook pro are located on one side I'm sure the standard DisplayPort would not have worked fine. Would be nice to know if Apple is including any adapters though since they have in the past.