[rab777hp]

TV works fine on macs,
first of all, you can use the eye tv for xbox playing, it has a 5 second delay, and works smoothly
second, macs are great alternatives/supplements to tvs, as all major networks stream content online, which can be viewed very nicely on 24 in iMacs, not to mention iTunes.
third, as said with the eye tv, you can pick up tv with an eye tv antannae
fourth, there is a great freeware app called livestation (livestation.com), which is, while a little buggy (and has become increasingly less buggy with each update), is great for watching tv on your mac, you can watch actual tv channels in real time, via the internet and a cable internet connection if you have one.

[keinkampf]

mdawson said:

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It is not BS. Apple designs and builds computers from the bottom up instead of purchasing pre-fabricated motherboards throwing them into pre-fabricated cases and slapping their logo on the front. The iMac is designed specifically for the consumer market and the vast majority of people in that market segment never upgrade their hardware. The iMac is not and has never been user-serviceable for that very reason. Outside of adding RAM, you cannot upgrade an iMac?s internals and that has near exclusively been the case since the first iMacs were introduced just over 10 years ago.

I'm not complaining about the way they build their machines from the ground up. I like that. My problem is how they choose solder a graphics card to the board. It really wouldn't be that hard to use a slot. Hell, I'd pay extra for one. By not using a slot they make it much more difficult for people experienced with computers to upgrade. If they had used a slot people who never wanted to open their computer would never have a problem with it but it would please people who did want to.

One of the things I like about the original iMacs ( I have four) was their easy upgrading. The processor was built on a smaller daughter card and you could just swap that out with a new one (it makes over-clocking them a lot easier). You could also upgrade the video ram. Another cool thing was the monitor used a VGA cable so if i wanted to I could use that for another computer.

[Alan]

Rab777hp,

I am not sure that I would give a glowing report card on an eyetv. We bought one for around 250 USD (I think that was the price) and then spent many hours trying to get anything other than a terrible picture on it. Then they wanted us to buy an upgrade on the program to use it. It was sort of like tv was like when it first came out. We sort of figured that if you couldn't get a decent picture with cable then forget the rabbit ears. I am sure it's around the house somewhere. We don't have a tv so we use my iMac for watching DVDs.

[Grapho]

If you where looking to buy an upgradable model, you choose the wrong one. The Mac Pro is the only fully upgradable model that Apple offers at this time. On your iMac, you can probably add more RAM and upgrade the HD, just like any other computer that Apple offers, but graphics card, only the Mac Pro offers this flexibility.

[rab777hp]

adding on to this- have you considered a psytar? cheap and upgradeable- or builidnign your own frankenmac?

[keinkampf]

Yea I'll probably attempt to build a Frankenmac some day. But I haven't seen those Psystar computers before. Those are pretty cool (and pretty powerful). But currently my computer is great.

But the next time I get a computer (in a few years) I am going to make sure it is a little more upgradeable. This is kinda where the "missing middle mac" comes in. They need a tower model in between the iMac and the Mac Pro.

[rab777hp]

which is where the psytar comes in.
I'm suprised you haven't heard of them yet. There's been an epic story, and more recently, a battle, about them.
The Clone Wars

[keinkampf]

I've heard brief news stories about how apple is suing (psystar). But that is the first time I went and checked it out and looked at the computers.

To me I don't really think Apple has a valid lawsuit vs Psystar. I mean Apple does not have the right to control what I do with my personal copy of Leopard. And Psystar is not advertising them as Macs but instead they are showing that they are "open computers" which can run Linux, Windows, or Mac OS X.

[sandbag1]

{quote:title=keinkampf wrote:}I mean Apple does not have the right to control what I do with my personal copy of Leopard.{quote} Well legally you don't own a personal copy of Mac OSX. You just paid for a license to use Apples copy.

[rab777hp]

look- this is a long and lengthy debate, let's not continue it here- there are many psytar related threads already.
and apple doesn't own that CD if you paid $80 for it
there is nothing wrong with builiding a computer
there is nothging wrong with installing software on said computer

[keinkampf]

Its Apple's intellectual property but that specific disc and all of its contents are mine.

Would you know where I can read the full license agreement?

[keinkampf]

uh sorry I was typing as you posted

Yes this can continue on another thread.