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Review: iWeb ?09

#43 User is offline   danielpitt Icon

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 10:11 PM

Thanks tedpainter and spinoza2 for these helpful suggestions. I will try them out. Note that building the table in Pages, Keynote, or Numbers (or Excel) gets the text there in pdf but does not convey active hyperlinks. So I abandoned that. It's all a matter of choices! I do like keeping all the listings on one page as I often find myself scrolling the whole thing looking for a place to eat. As for introductory pages, there are others on the website, starting at http://www.danpitt.c...ltoRestaurants. By the way, I didn't get the screenshot Ted.
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 08:22 AM

Hi Dan,

Don't know why you couldn't get it! I checked after sending the email and it didn't pop up on my screen as I expected. I clicked on it three times and nothing happened. Turns out since it's a small file the downloader window didn't bother to pop up (or I'd have known it was downloading) and I had to think it out........something that takes awhile with me. I found all three fles in my downloads folder. Depending on where you have stuff downloaded, you might have had the same experience. This business of using Text Edit you may have already tried, but I had no idea of how to do tables and figured that would work. Since you prefer to have everything on one page you'd only have to set it up to scroll way down and it would still work within the text boxes.



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#45 User is offline   jackdawart Icon

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Posted 20 February 2009 - 09:46 PM

I had nothing but love for iWeb and MobileMe... until I upgraded to '09.
The new features are great and all, but I cannot publish my site!!!

Does that mean you have published a site or sites using previous versions of iWeb with an FTP Client?

When you upgrade, all your sites appear in red, as it happens when you
make changes. I thought I just needed to publish again. But every time
I try publishing, an error comes up "...try publishing later"




I had the same thing happen when I tried to use the ftp messenger in iWeb09 to upload to my server.




In my ignorance I tried to upload a 35 MB website (lots of music files) via satellite 3 times! Each upload took over 2 hours.




In one of the forums, there was a suggestion that some servers don't accept the Apple ftp messenger. (Obviously MobileMe should.)




So after a bit of study, I bit the bullet and decided to download the free open source Cyberduck FTP Client, spent the time trying to figure it out - which after I got it, seemed so obvious. Although it did keep crashing until I jettisoned several music files, and lightened the site to 6MB. Using Cyberduck the site uploads in about 20 minutes.




I really did want to enjoy the convenience of the ftp messenger in iWeb09, but at this point it looks as if I need to use the ftp client with my particular server. When I do an update to the lighter website, I will try the in iWeb09 ftp messenger again. If it doesn't work I will go back Cyberduck. (which by the way is a most elegant and easy to use program). At least the site is now published.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 04:07 AM

The issue of having problems when republishing an existing iWeb/MobileMe site after upgrading to iWeb 09 is a known one, and Apple has created a Support Document to deal with it: http://support.apple...iewlocale=en_US

I had two large sites to republish (each over a gigabyte), and though one republished without problems, the other kept giving my publish errors when I tried to republish the whole site to MobileMe. It's hard to identify why one worked and the other didn't, since they were similar in terms of complexity and design. But for some reason it looks like the communication between iWeb (client) and MobileMe (server) gets confused with some legacy sites with lots of files.

I solved the problem a bit differently than the Apple Support Document (since it hadn't been posted yet). You can try the Apple solution, since it's easier than what I did, but if you still have problems you can continue with my solution:

First I deleted the entire site on the Apple MobileMe server using iDisk, then did the usual Repair Disk Permissions and rebooted Leopard. I also deleted the iWeb plist, as the Apple document instructs (with iWeb not running). Finally I copied over my site to MobileMe once again, but did so a few files at a time. I did this by creating a new temporary site using a blank page, and then copied over all the files of the original site over to the new site. I continued by methodically copying the files back over to the original site, but only a few files at a time. After each round of copying a few files, I published them to MobileMe. After each successful publish, I then copied over another handful of files.

This took a while, but it did work and was able to get the whole site republished back to MobileMe in this way. It's now working fine and everything seems to be okay.
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#47 User is offline   KarenJ Icon

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 09:32 AM

Your web site is incredible! Throughout you refer to the "out of the box software that comes on every Mac." Can you please share with me how you so changed the templates in iWeb to this very personal page? Was it done in '09? If so I cannot wait for mine to arrive tomorrow! Thanks for sharing.
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Posted 24 February 2009 - 11:33 AM

Karen, I did use custom templates for only a few pages (more below), but the important thing to note is that what you see on my site (www.humanismus.com) is truly ?out-of-the-box? iWeb, nothing custom or special, and this is the more important point. Apple has taken everything we like about Macintosh: it's intuitive, easy-to-learn and -use interface, and incorporated it masterfully into iWeb. In so doing it has provided us with an unparalleled tool for publishing professional-looking sites to the Web. Because it can be learned quickly and effortlessly, we can focus our attention almost entirely on expressing ourselves creatively. The essential aspects of iWeb can be learned in a short training session, and this allows us to concentrate our energies on creativity, rather than to get bogged down in technological details of CSS, Javascript, etc etc. The ?personal? aspects of my site are really created with just plain 'ol iWeb, though I do admit to taking personal creativity seriously!

I did use a third-party set of templates called ?Zones? from a company called 11Mystics (www.11Mystics.com), who I recommend. I find the included set of templates in iWeb perfectly adequate for most needs, but the Zones templates from 11Mystics allowed me to create pages that were wider and more flexible (with double and triple columns of text and images) than what the iWeb templates permitted. You can see an example of a Zones Web page at: http://www.humanismus.com/HegelsPhenomenologyIntroduction.html .

Good luck on your site, and--most importantly--have fun!
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 01:06 PM

I guess you didn't notice this - but there's a graphic in this review that explicitly shows the existence of iWeb's sftp support.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 07:28 PM

Ted,

I like your ARTWORK... and I also like Your site... Did u make that all in IWEB? I have been working as a graphic production artist for a long time. I stopped being creative...which is kinda depressing me. When it comes to WEB design, I am feeling like U.... confused by all this XHTML..and CODING... i think visually and all this code stuff is steering me away from just designing.

I was wondering on your 2006--- 2007 ---2008 --2009 PAGES... was that all done in IWEB? also... I like how u double click the images they enlarge to show them bigger... I didnt know that iWEB did that..... i thought it did this stand alone slide show.

Well, i did like the simplicity of your site... and i appreciated your RANT about digital art. I havent had much success in either my original fine art printmaking nor my newly aquired digital art skills... but, I want to put up my own site to promote my design services and see how it goes.

Thanks for sharing. Your paintings are very cool. I am impressed by the shadows and coloring in them. Those are all digital? Or did u paint with traditional materials as well?

very cool
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#51 User is offline   tedpainter Icon

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 05:36 AM

Hi bcdigiart,

Thanks for the appreciation, and yes, all was done digitally. I don't work on traditional materials and then do a scan either. It starts and ends as digital.

And yes, everything on the website was done using iWeb. To give you an example of how easy and quick it can be, I only recently added the newest work to the 2009 folder (yesterday) and it only took a couple of hours, most of which was spent getting the paintings ready (scaled down) to upload. I use "Adobe's Photoshop Elements" to change the size for the web pages as the originals are as much as 75-95 MHz. I scale them down to less than 30K which is fine for a web page, but not as sharp of course as the original. The total time uploading all the 2009 paintings, had I been ready with all of them would have taken maybe an hour, if that.

As far as the change in size when the thumbnail is clicked; that's very simple to do. In iWeb there will be one page just for the thumbs and each of those is linked to another page with the larger size image. There's one larger size image for each of the thumbnails. When you click on the thumb it takes you directly to the large image. The process of linking in iWEb takes about 2 seconds.

If you already have the two sizes ready to go it's just a matter of duplicating your basic page> giving it a new name to reflect the new painting>deleting the image already there and dragging in the new one, which is then resized. Next just change the name below the painting. This all might take five minutes, if that.

The main thing in any program is to get your basic web page design set up ahead of time. After that it's easy to just duplicate it for each new page. It's possible to make major changes afterwards, but it's much easier to get it the way you want it to start. For the 2009 folder I kept everything the same but changed the colors of the buttons background. Very easy and quick to do.

Hope this has been helpful

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 01:27 PM

My site - www.bellis.info - has been crippled for two months since I 'upgraded' to iWeb 09. Having talked to about ten 'specialists' all of whom were very professional but didn't solve the problem - site uploading in its entirety for a small change and then getting a random 'publish error' every time.
A month ago I was sent an app from Applecare which was supposed to look through my system and send back info to their engineers to fix the problem. Not a word since. The recent update didn't fix the problem either.
Today I called up and found that their engineers couldn't find the fault and the only recommendation was to rebuild the site from scratch. Gee thanks for letting me know Apple!
I demanded to be put through to Apple customer relations and after chewing their ear off for about 15 minutes - and threatening them with a report of false advertising to consumer affairs - they have acceded to my demand that I get a year's free MobileMe family Pack as compensation for the time I have wasted, and will continue to waste fixing this because they are incapable of fixing their own system.
I suggest you all call them now and make such a foul stench about this unacceptable matter that they either get off their arses and fix the problem or at least give you some compensation.
Cheers
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 02:42 PM

Mol, you can solve your problem with the Publish Error issue in iWeb/MobileMe, but you need to have a little patience. First, change the name of your Website in iWeb to another name (it doesn't matter what, since the site will eventually disappear). Then create a new Website and give it the name of your actual, or original, Website. Now, start copying over your site files, a few files at a time. If they are just text/html files, you can copy more than if they are media-heavy files (like QuickTime pages, which should only be copied over one or two at a time). Once you've copied over a handful of files, save them to the new site and Publish them using the ?new? site. Continue this until you've copied over all your files to the new site (with the same name as the old site, of course).

This has always worked for me when running into the Publish Error issue (which admittedly only occurs when I have to republish a large portion or all of the site). If you occasionally get a Publish Error message while copying and publishing over your files in batches, just hit Publish again and eventually it will work (alternatively, you can make your problematic batch smaller by returning a couple of files to your original site).

The problem is caused by a synchronization/communication disruption while publishing large files from iWeb to MobileMe. It may be because of your network, but Apple could do a better job strengthening the ftp communication module in iWeb to prevent this.

Good luck on getting your site published.
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 02:47 PM

Sounds like you had a very bad experience and I hope nobody else runs into anything like it.

I lost my site a year ago too but from my own fault. Evidently you must have a file called "domain.site" which is kept in the user>library>application support folder. You can save everything else, but if you move it all to another computer and don't move that file along with it the program won't be able to open to your site material.

I did that and had to search online to find out why I had the problem.

The upside to it was that since I still had all the files elsewhere it only took a couple of hours to completely rebuild the site.
Now I routinely save that file to several other older computers I use for back-up. It wasn't a big deal, but it's still wasted time to lose it and have to completely rebuild.

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 01:25 PM

View Postn4hhe, on 05 February 2009 - 02:05 PM, said:

If it can not generate Javascript-less websites then it is a toy.



This is a ridiculous techno-snob comment. For many people with simple, fast requirements, iWeb is a great program.

Obviously is you are doing something major, you're going to need Dreamweaver or to go some other pro route.

People have been saying stuff like this since the original Mac first appeared and marked the beginning of the end for DOS.

So, spare us.
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