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"Summer" is their best estimate on the 3.0 arrival time. Not as vague as "forthcoming", but still.
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Cut and paste, MMS highlight iPhone 3.0 improvements
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 12:30 PM
Folklore-
Perhaps cut/paste is harder to do than it seems. All I'm saying is cut/paste is a very old technology that to my knowledge was even around on other smart phones at the time of the release of 1st gen iPhone.
Actually when I bought my iPhone I had no idea such an advanced phone wouldn't support such a simple feature like MMS that just about every phone in stores had at that time. But even if I did know- I would have bought it anyways because no it's not a deal breaker, as you said...
As for what you want- well you're just being a smartass... The things I've said I'm waiting for are all possible.
Take a look at the new 17 MBP. Amazing new battery life. Take a look at half of the smart phones or more out there- removable storage. Take a look at Blackberrys or other phones using the 3g network- they seem to have better reliability. And lastly- take a look at the cameras on other phones- the iPhones is a poor excuse compared to several others.
Those upgrades are all very do-able. I'm not saying I want a transformer notebook as you described you'd like... I'm saying I'm waiting for Apple to get up to speed in other areas before investing in a small incremental upgraded phone like the 3g iPhone.
Perhaps cut/paste is harder to do than it seems. All I'm saying is cut/paste is a very old technology that to my knowledge was even around on other smart phones at the time of the release of 1st gen iPhone.
Actually when I bought my iPhone I had no idea such an advanced phone wouldn't support such a simple feature like MMS that just about every phone in stores had at that time. But even if I did know- I would have bought it anyways because no it's not a deal breaker, as you said...
As for what you want- well you're just being a smartass... The things I've said I'm waiting for are all possible.
Take a look at the new 17 MBP. Amazing new battery life. Take a look at half of the smart phones or more out there- removable storage. Take a look at Blackberrys or other phones using the 3g network- they seem to have better reliability. And lastly- take a look at the cameras on other phones- the iPhones is a poor excuse compared to several others.
Those upgrades are all very do-able. I'm not saying I want a transformer notebook as you described you'd like... I'm saying I'm waiting for Apple to get up to speed in other areas before investing in a small incremental upgraded phone like the 3g iPhone.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 12:50 PM
mattd313 said:
>Take a look at half of the smart phones or more out there- removable storage. Take a look at Blackberrys or other phones using the 3g network- they seem to have better reliability. And lastly- take a look at the cameras on other phones- the iPhones is a poor excuse compared to several others.
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You fail to provide any evidence to your claims. I don't need removable storage with 16 GB. Those other phones have very small internal memory with a card trying to add more. The Blackberry has 64 MB of internal storage, and it costs another $99 for the 16 GB (max size avail) card. Not exactly cost effective. Who says Blackberrys have better reliability? They don't. The last company I worked for gave their IT guys Blackberrys and they all said they suck. Their connections to 3G were no better than AT&T, and when 3G was enabled, the phone battery died in a matter of hours. This company was located in Los Angeles, so it is a major city with 3G coverage. You fail to give any examples of phones with better cameras. Phones with better cameras are usually larger and thicker. Except for low light conditions, the iPhone works great indoors and out. No one uses a cell phone camera to replace their regular digital camera. The blackberry is $419 without an account. So add another $99 for that memory card.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 12:53 PM
These features are cute, and I am sure that many users are thrilled to have them. The one thing that I was hoping for (and I know it requires AT&T's blessing) is the ability to tether my iphone to my laptop. From one of Steve Job's messages a few months ago, I believed that this was imminent. I would gladly pay an additional $10 per month for this capability.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 01:06 PM
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Removable storage isn't only good to add on more, it's good to transfer files. I'd like the ability to take a shitload of good pictures and take out the card, stick it in a card reader and transfer them to my computer. Yeah, there are other ways to transfer the files- I just like that way. I said Blackberry's or other phones using 3g. I can't give a ton of examples I just know friends in my area with all different phones. Everyone has complained about 3g with their iPhone, yet somehow no one on the 3g network (wtih AT&T) with their Blackberry or other phone has complained. My wife has a LG shine which uses 3g and her phone works great (it also has a removable media card). As for phones with better cameras- no I can't give good examples because I don't remember the names of them. Before the iPhone I had a Samsung slider (I forget the model name, forgive me) The camera produced very vivid and clear pictures, basically the opposite of the iPhones. My sister in law has some weird looking phone with a camera that literally could replace a basic point and shooter. Had flash, and took pretty amazing pictures from what I saw. (also had removable media card)
I did a lot of research on the 3g iPhone and decided not to buy it considering how many times I read about how shitty the 3g connection was. The camera everyone knows sucks. The battery life is fine (on my 1st gen) but I'd expect better in the next version. Removable storage would just open up the possibilities on the amount of storage possible on the device instead of being stuck with whatever you buy.
Look people, the iPhone is great. I'm not saying its a piece of shit.
I'm just saying in areas it is ahead of the game, and other areas it is
behind.
Removable storage isn't only good to add on more, it's good to transfer files. I'd like the ability to take a shitload of good pictures and take out the card, stick it in a card reader and transfer them to my computer. Yeah, there are other ways to transfer the files- I just like that way. I said Blackberry's or other phones using 3g. I can't give a ton of examples I just know friends in my area with all different phones. Everyone has complained about 3g with their iPhone, yet somehow no one on the 3g network (wtih AT&T) with their Blackberry or other phone has complained. My wife has a LG shine which uses 3g and her phone works great (it also has a removable media card). As for phones with better cameras- no I can't give good examples because I don't remember the names of them. Before the iPhone I had a Samsung slider (I forget the model name, forgive me) The camera produced very vivid and clear pictures, basically the opposite of the iPhones. My sister in law has some weird looking phone with a camera that literally could replace a basic point and shooter. Had flash, and took pretty amazing pictures from what I saw. (also had removable media card)
I did a lot of research on the 3g iPhone and decided not to buy it considering how many times I read about how shitty the 3g connection was. The camera everyone knows sucks. The battery life is fine (on my 1st gen) but I'd expect better in the next version. Removable storage would just open up the possibilities on the amount of storage possible on the device instead of being stuck with whatever you buy.
Look people, the iPhone is great. I'm not saying its a piece of shit.
I'm just saying in areas it is ahead of the game, and other areas it is
behind.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 01:10 PM
AT&T service on the Big Island of Hawai`i is terrible.
You go to them wanting an iPhone because it's the only place they are available. AT&T has tiny maps on brochures that show in iconic lack of detail the varying coverages so you ask, reasonably, to see their sales desk monitors. In my case the signal strength all around the area where I live and work is shown as "Strong" or better. And the separate map showing 3G coverage is a total, unblemished blanket of blue meaning 3G is everywhere.
But that is not the case. And Apple should be held responsible for some pressure to improve the action of their partner for wireless coverage.
Those "strong" areas where I live and for four miles up the highway to another tower go slowly from "No Service" to one then two then three and finally five bars. In other words I was sold something that AT&T claims exists but it doesn't. I'm from Texas where we call that being hornswaggled but there are others who call it fraud.
No matter who you talk with at AT&T they tell you -- now that you have bought the "service" -- that AT&T doesn't "guarantee" their service. Because wireless in America is not regulated by the Public Utilities Commission and, it appears, no other agency, they feel they have no public responsibility. They told me that a tower going in some two blocks from my home will not have its signal "directed" toward me which means, if Apple is reading this, that they are ignoring the fastest growing population area in the state of Hawai`i to point their signal toward a virtually unpopulated area.
My state legislator and the county council has been requested to hold public hearings on how the placement of these towers is determined and if the coverages that exist -- or don't exist -- need some sort of state and county oversight for the interest of the economy, public safety and other subjects properly in the hands of our government.
If your iPhone coverage from AT&T has more weak or "no service" areas than you were lead to expect, call them and then call your legislators. We need to get on this or it will never get better.
You go to them wanting an iPhone because it's the only place they are available. AT&T has tiny maps on brochures that show in iconic lack of detail the varying coverages so you ask, reasonably, to see their sales desk monitors. In my case the signal strength all around the area where I live and work is shown as "Strong" or better. And the separate map showing 3G coverage is a total, unblemished blanket of blue meaning 3G is everywhere.
But that is not the case. And Apple should be held responsible for some pressure to improve the action of their partner for wireless coverage.
Those "strong" areas where I live and for four miles up the highway to another tower go slowly from "No Service" to one then two then three and finally five bars. In other words I was sold something that AT&T claims exists but it doesn't. I'm from Texas where we call that being hornswaggled but there are others who call it fraud.
No matter who you talk with at AT&T they tell you -- now that you have bought the "service" -- that AT&T doesn't "guarantee" their service. Because wireless in America is not regulated by the Public Utilities Commission and, it appears, no other agency, they feel they have no public responsibility. They told me that a tower going in some two blocks from my home will not have its signal "directed" toward me which means, if Apple is reading this, that they are ignoring the fastest growing population area in the state of Hawai`i to point their signal toward a virtually unpopulated area.
My state legislator and the county council has been requested to hold public hearings on how the placement of these towers is determined and if the coverages that exist -- or don't exist -- need some sort of state and county oversight for the interest of the economy, public safety and other subjects properly in the hands of our government.
If your iPhone coverage from AT&T has more weak or "no service" areas than you were lead to expect, call them and then call your legislators. We need to get on this or it will never get better.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 01:18 PM
Cut and paste was on Blackberry smart phones, for sure. However, the implementation on a touch screen device hadn't been done at the time of iPhone 1.0's release. I think the Blackberry Storm did cut-and-paste out of the box, but the reviews of that phone haven't been good on the whole so I've stopped paying attention. I don't know if the G1 and other touch-screen phones do cut-and-paste. Even if they do, it's still a relatively recent thing on the market, when you consider it's being implemented on a touch-screen device.
Ok, yeah, there was some snark in my previous comment. But I genuinely believe I'll have that notebook I mentioned in about two decades. Pocket sized when it's in your pocket, huge when it's on the job. If I could buy that now, I would. But I can't. And I'm not waiting for my pocket-sized-yet-still-huge laptop, because I have needs now. Instead, I've been buying 15" laptops (first a PBG4, then a MBP) which seem to be the best compromise of features now, for me. Ditto on an iPhone 3G v. other smart phones.
Note that I opted out of the original iPhone due to the lack of 3G, no app store, etc. So my choice here is between an iPhone 3G (or whatever is current when my existing contract with Sprint is up) and every other phone on the market.
If my choice were between an original iPhone and an iPhone 3G, which is what mattd313 seems to really be saying... well, that's a different question. I'd have a hard time justifying the upgrade from the original iPhone to the 3G model. But if the choice is between an iPhone and any other smart phone on the market, well, that looks like an easy choice at the moment.
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Take a look at the new 17 MBP. Amazing new battery life. Take a look at half of the smart phones or more out there- removable storage. Take a look at Blackberrys or other phones using the 3g network- they seem to have better reliability. And lastly- take a look at the cameras on other phones- the iPhones is a poor excuse compared to several others.
Those upgrades are all very do-able. I'm not saying I want a transformer notebook as you described you'd like... I'm saying I'm waiting for Apple to get up to speed in other areas before investing in a small incremental upgraded phone like the 3g iPhone.
Those upgrades are all very do-able. I'm not saying I want a transformer notebook as you described you'd like... I'm saying I'm waiting for Apple to get up to speed in other areas before investing in a small incremental upgraded phone like the 3g iPhone.
Ok, yeah, there was some snark in my previous comment. But I genuinely believe I'll have that notebook I mentioned in about two decades. Pocket sized when it's in your pocket, huge when it's on the job. If I could buy that now, I would. But I can't. And I'm not waiting for my pocket-sized-yet-still-huge laptop, because I have needs now. Instead, I've been buying 15" laptops (first a PBG4, then a MBP) which seem to be the best compromise of features now, for me. Ditto on an iPhone 3G v. other smart phones.
Note that I opted out of the original iPhone due to the lack of 3G, no app store, etc. So my choice here is between an iPhone 3G (or whatever is current when my existing contract with Sprint is up) and every other phone on the market.
If my choice were between an original iPhone and an iPhone 3G, which is what mattd313 seems to really be saying... well, that's a different question. I'd have a hard time justifying the upgrade from the original iPhone to the 3G model. But if the choice is between an iPhone and any other smart phone on the market, well, that looks like an easy choice at the moment.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 01:29 PM
folklore said:
Ok, yeah, there was some snark in my previous comment. But I genuinely believe I'll have that notebook I mentioned in about two decades. Pocket sized when it's in your pocket, huge when it's on the job. If I could buy that now, I would. But I can't. And I'm not waiting for my pocket-sized-yet-still-huge laptop, because I have needs now. Instead, I've been buying 15" laptops (first a PBG4, then a MBP) which seem to be the best compromise of features now, for me. Ditto on an iPhone 3G v. other smart phones.
If my choice were between an original iPhone and an iPhone 3G, which is what mattd313 seems to really be saying... well, that's a different question. I'd have a hard time justifying the upgrade from the original iPhone to the 3G model. But if the choice is between an iPhone and any other smart phone on the market, well, that looks like an easy choice at the moment.
If my choice were between an original iPhone and an iPhone 3G, which is what mattd313 seems to really be saying... well, that's a different question. I'd have a hard time justifying the upgrade from the original iPhone to the 3G model. But if the choice is between an iPhone and any other smart phone on the market, well, that looks like an easy choice at the moment.
First of all- you're way out of context with what you're saying in the first paragraph. The things I'm waiting for are reasonable expectations. Technologies that already exist today, just in multiple other devices... Of course you will have to buy whatever is available now otherwise you'll have the same notebook for the next 20+ years!
Secondly, I'm completely satisfied with my current iPhone. I don't need to make a choice between anything else for a while- thus that is why I'm waiting for the next generation iPhone, which I would expect to have at least a couple of those things I mentioned.
