[mdawson]

More dribble from a know nothing that seems to think that they are dealing with uninformed people that cannot easily refute their crap.

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StarWarsEpisode7 wrote:

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Um, Microsoft Windows
Vista is far superior to OS X

And we are supposed to take this from someone that puts hard returns in their post as if we are posting on 1980s-era bulletin boards. If Windows Vista is so great then why it is yet another version of Windows that the PC press made a point of telling people not to upgrade to and despised by the very IT persons that played a major role in putting Windows in the market position that it enjoys now? Windows Vista is a aping of the previous version of OS X and even the PC press has stated as much.

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?I feel comfortable predicting that Windows Vista will not outpace Mac OS X Tiger for overall quality and usability. It's hard to beat Apple's top-notch GUI design grafted onto an implementation of Unix variant, BSD. Mac OS X has excellent reliability, security and usability. That isn't to say that its user interface wouldn't gain if Apple adopted some other best ideas of the day, but Apple has the best operating system this year, last year and next year. It'll be interesting to see what the company delivers in its 10.5 Leopard version of Mac OS X.

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Meanwhile, I'm placing Windows Vista as a distant second-best to OS X.

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? Scot Finney, Computerworld

StarWarsEpisode7 wrote:
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OS X has looks, sure, but is a really
bad OS, from the inferior Dock to the crashings (OS X crashes more than
Vista), to the incompatibility with 90% of the world's software.

Yes, let us bolster our false argument with blatant lies and misguidance. The Dock and the Taskbar have very different paradigms and the Dock is at least a little more consistent in its functionality than the Taskbar. In the end, neither is a clear winner. OS X by no means crashes more than any version of Windows, so spare is the BS.

As to 90 percent of the world?s software, upwards of 90 percent of Windows software is crap, so what is your point? More does not equal better.

StarWarsEpisode7 wrote:
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I haven't spent a dime on anti-virus
software, and have only got a virus once (which was automatically
removed).

Another blatant prevarication.

Go troll elsewhere.

[mdawson]

The entire combined market share of luxury cars comes to about 1 percent of car sales overall. But by your misguided logic, those cars are not superior to economy vehicles because the latter has a larger share of the market.

[StarWarsEpisode7]

And we are supposed to take this from someone that puts hard returns in their post as if we are posting on 1980s-era bulletin boards. If Windows Vista is so great then why it is yet another version of Windows that the PC press made a point of telling people not to upgrade to and despised by the very IT persons that played a major role in putting Windows in the market position that it enjoys now? Windows Vista is a aping of the previous version of OS X and even the PC press has stated as much.

Microsoft has fixed most of Vista's complaints and is now superior to OS X (heck your link is from 2006!!!). Windows 7 will be the final nail in the coffin in OS X.

Yes, let us bolster our false argument with blatant lies and misguidance. The Dock and the Taskbar have very different paradigms and the Dock is at least a little more consistent in its functionality than the Taskbar. In the end, neither is a clear winner. OS X by no means crashes more than any version of Windows, so spare is the BS.

OS X doesn't crash per se, but by opening an application it crashes automatically, seriously. Heck the Mac I used crashed going to wal-mart.com (said something about the Flash player). Vista taskbar is far superior to the Dock (proven fact which is why the majority of people prefer it) and the Windows 7 Superbar will change computers forever. This is a Windows 95 innovation.

As to 90 percent of the world?s software, upwards of 90 percent of Windows software is crap, so what is your point? More does not equal better.

More equals more GREAT choices. Seriously, download.com has like 60,000 apps for Windows and only 5,000 for the Mac... nuff said. Why pay $600 more for a Mac when you get LESS?

[StarWarsEpisode7]

The entire combined market share of luxury cars comes to about 1 percent of car sales overall. But by your misguided logic, those cars are not superior to economy vehicles because the latter has a larger share of the market.

Huh? No, they were saying since the iPod has far more market share than the Zune, therefore the iPod was the better product - my counterpoint was that if you use that logic, then since Windows has far more market share than the Mac then Windows is a better product. But then again, Windows IS a better product so it makes sense.

[mdawson]

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Microsoft has fixed most of Vista's complaints and is now superior to OS X (heck your link is from 2006!!!). Windows 7 will be the final nail in the coffin in OS X.

Can you read? I specifically stated that Vista is an aping of the previous version of OS X. Leopard was released roughly the same time as Vista leaving copycat Microsoft behind.

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OS X doesn't crash per se, but by opening an application it crashes automatically, seriously.

And here comes the backpedaling when you get called on one lie followed up by another lie. First you say that OS X crashes more than Vista, now it does not. And OS X has protected memory so a crashed application has zero impact on the system so wrong again.

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StarWarsEpisode7 wrote:

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Heck the Mac I used crashed going to wal-mart.com (said something about the Flash player).

More blatant lies. At most a missing plug-in will cause a page not to render and in any case that is an issue with the browser and has nothing to do with OS X.

StarWarsEpisode7 wrote:
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Vista taskbar is far superior to the Dock (proven fact which is why the majority of people prefer it) and the Windows 7 Superbar will change computers forever. This is a Windows 95 innovation.

I will take the word of staff at ars technical that have a clue and my own experience over that of an obviously ignorant troll. And if so many people prefer the Taskbar then why can a Google search turn up so many alternatives? Most people use the Taskbar because it is a part of Windows; their preference has nothing to do with it.

StarWarsEpisode7 wrote:
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More equals more GREAT choices.

No more simply means more choice and that is the end of it. Choice does not necessarily dictate quality especially when the target audience does not demand any.

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Why pay $600 more for a Mac when you get LESS?

Because you do not get less. The PC press ate crow on that fact years ago so why no pull up to the table and get your plate. Your posts are nothing more than 90s era anti-Mac FUD that the PC press has long since disproved, so you and others like you only make fools of yourselves coming onto Mac forum posting patently false bunk that a mentally retarded donkey could find numerous non-Mac-centric articles to refute.

[StarWarsEpisode7]

Can you read? I specifically stated that Vista is an aping of the previous version of OS X. Leopard was released roughly the same time as Vista leaving copycat Microsoft behind.

And Vista has far surpassed Leopard, with the exception of GUI.

And here comes the backpedaling when you get called on one lie followed up by another lie. First you say that OS X crashes more than Vista, now it does not. And OS X has protected memory so a crashed application has zero impact on the system so wrong again.

Not a lie, really, because Vista hardly crashes either - OS X has apps crashing more than Vista as well.

OS X has no advantages to justify the large gap in price.

More blatant lies. At most a missing plug-in will cause a page not to render and in any case that is an issue with the browser and has nothing to do with OS X.

Well other Flash websites were working, and I have seen lots of Mac users complain about Flash, but even then it wouldn't surprise me considering Adobe doesn't give a crud about Macs (like most software developers. Kind of funny that it's MICROSOFT that develops perhaps the most popular application on the Mac).

I will take the word of staff at ars technical that have a clue and my own experience over that of an obviously ignorant troll. And if so many people prefer the Taskbar then why can a Google search turn up so many alternatives? Most people use the Taskbar because it is a part of Windows; their preference has nothing to do with it.

The Taskbar is easier to use. But the Dock does have one advantage and that it looks nice. Even Mac websites criticize the Dock - the Dock is good for demos and nothing else.

No more simply means more choice and that is the end of it. Choice does not necessarily dictate quality especially when the target audience does not demand any.

Windows gives you CHOICES - Apple says "Here's your software, and this is what you get. Now pay $100." Microsoft says "Listen, you are a unique person. We will give you this basic software, but because our operating system is so awesome, you can download a program that fits your needs."

Because you do not get less. The PC press ate crow on that fact years ago so why no pull up to the table and get your plate. Your posts are nothing more than 90s era anti-Mac FUD that the PC press has long since disproved, so you and others like you only make fools of yourselves coming onto Mac forum posting patently false bunk that a mentally retarded donkey could find numerous non-Mac-centric articles to refute.

Yes you do get less. Even if OS X is the reason why Macs are more expensive than PCs - OS X is only $130, it does NOT excuse an over $600 in hardware price gap. A Mac Mini, for example, is $599, comes with 1GB of RAM, 120GB of hard drive space (what is this, 2004?), and a 9400M GeForce. It is not upgradable (except certain RAM). A Dell Inspiron has an Intel Core 2 Duo 2.8GHZ, 500GB hard drive, 4GB of RAM but it has integrated graphics BUT it has a monitor. Why would anyone choose the Mini over the Dell?

[venividivici]

To StarWarsEpisode7 (btw, be original, but what are we to expect from a M$ Loverboy)

So besides being unoriginal, and plain trolling these forums, why don't you realize what you're talking about, first you're attacking the choice of Macbook Pro and then you go to Windows, did you realize that if you install Windows on a Mac.. Really on a MacBook or a Mac Pro it will run as good or better than in Dell, Sony or whatever else.

Now, if you choose to do that, and for the majority of people that have chosen that path, they have also chosen to Stay with Mac as their operating system and to uninstall or forget about their Windows.

Please, sir, you're not cool enough for this forum. I thought I had seen you somewhere in this vide: http://www.dailymoti...om/video/x115u4triumph-the-insult-comic-dog-star-wfun, which one are you?

[lwdesign]

StarWarsEpisode7 said:

Microsoft has fixed most of Vista's complaints and is now superior to OS X (heck your link is from 2006!!!). Windows 7 will be the final nail in the coffin in OS X.

OS X doesn't crash per se, but by opening an application it crashes automatically, seriously. Heck the Mac I used crashed going to wal-mart.com (said something about the Flash player). Vista taskbar is far superior to the Dock (proven fact which is why the majority of people prefer it) and the Windows 7 Superbar will change computers forever. This is a Windows 95 innovation.

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More equals more GREAT choices. Seriously, download.com has like 60,000 apps for Windows and only 5,000 for the Mac... nuff said. Why pay $600 more for a Mac when you get LESS?

OK, everyone, please recognize that Mr. StarWars has his mind made up, and no amount of additional information will cause him to change his mind. He's free to use Windows to his heart's content.

BUT, since Mr. StarWars has nothing good to say about Macs, similarly he shouldn't waste his time posting to this forum, since he will only create animosity with those here who are staunch Mac supporters. So in the interest of peace, harmony and agreeing to disagree, please remove yourself from this discussion.

[StarWarsEpisode7]

To StarWarsEpisode7 (btw, be original, but what are we to expect from a M$ Loverboy)

"M$" - and you talk about being original?

So besides being unoriginal, and plain trolling these forums, why don't you realize what you're talking about, first you're attacking the choice of Macbook Pro and then you go to Windows, did you realize that if you install Windows on a Mac.. Really on a MacBook or a Mac Pro it will run as good or better than in Dell, Sony or whatever else.

Yeah, you can install Windows on a Mac - that's what you do when you get a Mac, install a superior operating system. But why would I want to pay $2000 for an underperforming piece of garbage? Run as good as a Dell, Sony, HP, etc. etc.? Lmfao, no one in the industry even considers Apple's products near the speed of PCs. No one. Not to mention Macs aren't customizable at all.

Now, if you choose to do that, and for the majority of people that have chosen that path, they have also chosen to Stay with Mac as their operating system and to uninstall or forget about their Windows.

All 10 of them.

Please, sir, you're not cool enough for this forum. I thought I had seen you somewhere in this vide: http://www.dailymoti...om/video/x115u4triumph-the-insult-comic-dog-star-wfun, which one are you?

http://img22.imagesh...99/applenlr.jpg - what's your excuse for this? Since Apple touched it it's worth more?

[dbag65]

Ok enough with the PC cheerleading in a Mac forum. Spare us.

I let my sister talk me into a PC in 1995 as my first "home" computer. The only computer I'd ever used at work was a Mac prior to that. She was spouting about what we're seeing in this thread. Well I stayed in PC hell for 13 years too long. I used Windows '95, '98, XP, and Vista. I had to learn a lot about them, they were all glitchy systems.

Then I bought an early '08 15" 2.4Ghz MacBook Pro. I bough previous gen within a few days of the unibody release, so I got a deal.

I've been all Mac with my small design/build custom woodwork company, and at home since last October. Best move I've ever made. No crashes. No blue screens. No freeze ups. No viruses.

The software that came with my machine beats the pants off anything that ever came with a PC (my last Windows purchase was a stand alone copy of Vista Home Premium). Apple didn't bury me in crap ware! Dell, HP, and Gateway all did.

iWork does everything I need for a business suite, and set me back a whopping $79. Well I got my "Apple tax" back right there by not buying Office.

I gave the old PC from the studio to one of my workers, he's in college, he likes it for playing games. My Dell Inspiron 9100 went to my room mate. She can't wait for me to get a new Mac so she can have this one.

I don't know much about the guts of OS X yet. I haven't "had" to learn because it actually works right. I can get my work done with my computer instead of having to work "on" my computer.

What do I do with all the free time? Help fix PCs.

Last month a friend with some behemoth of a Dell Tower with a RAID and an onboard cooling system etc. got a virus and it killed her machine. Over 2 evenings I was on the phone with India for a total of 7 hours (she's still under warranty). We had to go in an disconnect the 4 drives, plug them back 1 at a time and reboot ad nauseam. 7 friggin' hours! This was a year old $3000 machine. Good thing I had built a PC for myself so I was basically aware of what I was doing.

I'm a fresh new Mac user who is done with PCs forever. Please Microsoft, release Windows 7. Then when friends call with crashed computers I can say " I'm completely unfamiliar with your operating system, sorry".

[venividivici]

StarWarsEpisode7 said:

Yeah, you can install Windows on a Mac - that's what you do when you get a Mac, install a superior operating system. But why would I want to pay $2000 for an underperforming piece of garbage? Run as good as a Dell, Sony, HP, etc. etc.? Lmfao, no one in the industry even considers Apple's products near the speed of PCs. No one. Not to mention Macs aren't customizable at all.

img22.imageshack.us/img22/5299/applenlr.jpg - what's your excuse for this? Since Apple touched it it's worth more?

StarWarsEpisode7: (Are you talking about an episode that you wish existed? or about you becoming George Lucas?... BTW ask Spielberg and Lucas, they both have iPods, not Zunes.

Yes Apple does charges, like other companies do, for overhead, and over price parts, and that's why you can buy these memory modules off market, but if you're not aware, the price in that image is for a 4GB Non-ECC Memory, which if you're not aware is more expensivethan the ECC Memory modules, about two to three times as much. From Kingston and Crucial depending where you buy it, each module is $410-$480 for Non-ECC. For ECC each module can go from $82-$150. But you knew that, right?

Probably you're one of those guys that is very mad that Start Trek is releasing a new movie this summer, and not StarWars Episode VII. :D

[EPonj]

No, venividivici, non-ECC is not more expensive than ECC, it's cheaper. non-ECC is used in most computer (mac and PC). Sorry for the trolling.

Back to the ad: Agreed it sucks. It can only make mac fans think they're worth better than everyone else, giving them the right to insult whoever dares to contradict them.

Mdawson, note that I respect most of your ideas, and your posts usually make sense and are quite respectfull. But...

Where can I find forums that talk trash about Apple like you're talking trash about MS? I'd love to visit those forums where I could insult mac users like windows users are being insulted here. Seriously, the PC community has never been agressive towards mac users. The 'trolls' you're seeing here (and I agree, some are really pointless, but so are some mac fans too) are just a response to provoking articles and comments (plain pointless attacks) written to attract them. Why does macworld report that much MS stories? Ok, this one is mac related, but it's seldom so. Macworld.com talks trash about MS every second day in order to attract people and controversy, and make it a living forum.

Besides, I won't enter the price war, I think Macs might be worth
their price if it fits your needs. And so are PCs too. Tell me
seriously what the following persons should buy:

-I want to play the latest FPS, RTS and RPG.

-I'm a geek who likes to mess and customize my computer.

-I'm an average worker who doesn't want to spend more than $600 in a full system.
-I want SLI graphic cards.
-I want a non-Xeon quad-core

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One thing I agree: I'd like MS to stop aping Apple. I hate it when the system thinks it knows better than me what I need. I hate the library system of iTunes that everyone is applying (I'll stick with Winamp3). I hate all those useless graphic nothings polluting my screen. I hate the widgets. I hate being asked for my password everytime I want to do something. I hate havind to press more than 1 button to shut down my computer.

Till win7, I'll stay with XP, as it is the OS I'm most productive with.

I LOVE MY PC

[ericole]

wouldn't that be "actress?"

[People_Eater]

EPonj said:

Seriously, the PC community has never been agressive towards mac users.

Give me a break. The Windows world is far more aggressive towards Apple users than vice-versa. For years, Mac users were actively shunned. Their computers were called "toys", they faced discrimination in employment. It's quite common for Mac users to be called "gay" and other epithets in internet forums. High-profile tech journalists actively talk trash about Macs and their users.

In contrast, the conversation on the Mac side of things is usually far more civil and based on rational thinking. Sure, people have criticisms of Microsoft, but that is usually about the company and its products, and rarely extends to the actual users of Windows. Heck, most Windows users also criticize Microsoft.

For whatever reason, there are a whole lot of Windows users who want to make the debate personal, and attack people for actually choosing to use Macs. Perhaps they feel threatened, because somebody has shown the defiance (in their eyes) to use something "different," and they were trained to conform to the majority? Much of the debate from the Windows side of things does have a lot in common with classic politics of exclusion.