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Microsoft's 'Apple tax' needs a refund

#197 User is offline   Chris Breen Icon

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 06:31 PM

lwdesign said:

It's time to simply not respond to the taunts of lord_xaero.


As I pointed out earlier, that's probably the best course. It doesn't take a whole lot of knowledge of the Mac market to understand that his facts and figures are off-base. So far I've seen a lot of smoke with very little fire to back it up.

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 05:43 AM

trout4u said:

Tell you what Lord:

Im gonna check out. I've got too much on my plate to argue with you. I'm sorry that you happen to view me as a young, little, ignorant collage student. I'm actually a 39 year old father of two, husband to a lead charge nurse of the Northwests largest trauma hospital. Im a Medical student and have 7 years of college behind me. Before that I worked for my grandfathers company for 19 years. Im comfortable with my computers.

Maybe we can meet up one day over coffee and laugh at all this over our laptops.

Its gotten off topic and ugly. Im not into comparing personal assets anymore.
I have no desire to assassinate your character anymore. I did not have any idea that this would get so personal. I really like my machines and you really like yours. I'm glad you find windows your os of choice.

---Trout

I am sorry I got angry. I was upset for several reasons. Mostly because for the last 20+ years of my life I have worked very hard and learned all that i could about computers, PC , mac, handheld, server, you name it. I was there. I remeber things that most everyone else gets to read about in books. I have had lunch at Steve Jobs table at an openstep conference, I was a consultant to microsoft in the early days of windows CE. I did integration work for hp on some of the first jornadas ever built. I have had conversations with top execs from every major hardware and software maker in the world (including apple) While others install the latest bit of software for their platform, I play with the source code to see what makes it tick. This field is what I do, it is who i am. I had an account on the internet back when it was a shell prompt.(right after darpa left the scene) I remeber using gopher, and muds, I remeber using pico as a mail client, I spent a great deal of my youth playing on the "information superhighway", when it was a one lane dirt road. This is my passion.

The other great reason for my anger, is that for all my posts and everything I have said, the main point I was trying to get across wasn't that "macs suck" or that any of you should switch. But simply that apple to a great extent has lost its way, stopped listening to the people that buy its products, focus shifted from what once made it great. I got angry that people can say that macs somehow got to be awesome running 99% the same exact hardware as a comparable pc. While pc's were somehow crap just for running windows. If the game had played out the other way, and microsoft had to start building powerpc based windows boxes, you can bet your ass that the guys from cupertino would make a stupid comercial pointing that fact out for years.

as I have stated I don't hate apple, nor do I hate OSX, I have several macs, and several more "hackintoshes" running osx86 or iaktos, or one of the 20 or so other ports of leopard to pure pc hardware. I have dismantled and repaired thousands of macs, And countless pcs. I have worked very very hard for both sides.

Satisfaction surveys aside, apple should start following market trends, make life easier for its distributers.(I have seen end users get away with murder and apple only puts them through the ringer for a little while, I sell over a million dollars worth of hardware a year for them and they act like I am asking for a kidney when I want a defective unit restocked under a standing rtv agreement) They should lower their prices to better compete with machines that do every bit as much. Yes, they would lose some margin, but they would gain market share. they should loosen the draconian eula's for all of their sdk's.

In short, I tend to get cranky when people revise the history I lived through. But I shouldn't have resorted to personal attacks.

I still stand by all that I have said relating to the tech industry.
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Posted 21 April 2009 - 06:58 AM

lord_xaero said:

No, I don't work for free. Neither do the countless software developers writing pc apps out of their garage. However if you look on the net. you will find many people that with the spirit of innovation code apps under the GPL for the sheer joy of writing code. They don't want to sell 300 farting noismakers on the itunes store. they want to make something for the good of all pc users. Sourceforge is one such repository of all that is right with pc and wrong with the mighty blue apple. GPL gotta love it.


Except for the fact that Sourceforge has plenty of MacOS X software too. As you said, GPL, gotta love it.
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