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Post your comments for Apple: "A PC is no bargain when it doesn't do what you want" here

[tebaker28]

I'm sick of "PC" = Windows.
Your beef is with MS and Windows not with the computer. I'm no Windows fan by a long shot.
PC hardware can run any number of OSs (except MacOS but that's Apple's decision.)
I know. I know. the great majority of PC hardware runs Windows....yada yada yada. NOT the point. Say what you mean. "A Windows PC is no bargain...." ...but then, I guess, MS would throw a sh*t-fit.

[MacTechAspen]

Some may marginalize Linux users because of their paltry market share, but as a long time Apple user I know better. Market share has nothing to do with anything except how many units are sold.

Linux is a great alternative for many people. For the enthusiast who wants to tinker with the nuts and bolts of their operating system and is fearless in the face of configuration issues, Linux is the only way to go.

For the average user even a Windows system may require more tinkering and knowledge then they are comfortable with.

The interesting thing about the Mac OS is that it appeals to not only those who would rather lose a limb then learn about the inner workings of their OS, but it appeals to power users of all stripes as well.

I have toyed with many flavors of Linux and as a computer pro I understand the appeal, especially from a price point of view. As a businessman and a person who uses their computer to make a living, Mac OS is more my style. It just works, and I just get work done.

My time costs a lot more than my computer, never mind my operating system. For me the MacOS and Apple computer combo is the most cost efficient alternative.

[XMattingly]

TOC is the name of the game. It does help to be an informed consumer though... and M$ is apparently banking on consumers who only look at sticker price.

[StarWarsEpisode7]

Windows PCs never get anything done. The 95% of people never get ANYTHING done. Macs, the greatest creation in the world, no, the universe, gets everything done (despite not even running half of the world's software).

[tebaker28]

I'm primarily defending [good quality] PC hardware. OSX could work beautifully it.

I'd like to see Apple spread the glory of OSX by developing for modern PC hardware.

Yes I know it's more work.... charge more for it.

Since you mentioned market share and I didn't in this comment, you must have seen my comments in "The Microsoft discount" article.



Thanks for the reply

[Jon Seff]

tebaker28 said:

I'm sick of "PC" = Windows.
Your beef is with MS and Windows not with the computer. I'm no Windows fan by a long shot.
PC hardware can run any number of OSs (except MacOS but that's Apple's decision.)

I know. I know. the great majority of PC hardware runs Windows....yada yada yada. NOT the point. Say what you mean. "A Windows PC is no bargain...." ...but then, I guess, MS would throw a sh*t-fit.

The use of the word 'PC' in this story is from Apple, not us. Not sure to whom you're directing the "your beef" comment.

[amacd]

PC stands for Personal Computer. It doesn't make any difference if it is made my Apple, Toshiba, Lenovo or whoever. I have had 3 PCs made by Apple, one by me from a kit, a Toshiba, an NEC, a Thinkpad and even an IBM PC jr. It doesn't make it not a PC because you changed the operating system on it. Anybody remember the Compaq? Osborn? Sinclair? Radio Shack? Apple II? Those are all PCs. Anybody remember CPM? DOS? System Whatever. Those are operating systems. Basic? APL? Fortran? Those are programming languages.

[tebaker28]

amacd said:

PC stands for Personal Computer. It doesn't make any difference if it is made my Apple, Toshiba, Lenovo or whoever. I have had 3 PCs made by Apple, one by me from a kit, a Toshiba, an NEC, a Thinkpad and even an IBM PC jr. It doesn't make it not a PC because you changed the operating system on it. Anybody remember the Compaq? Osborn? Sinclair? Radio Shack? Apple II? Those are all PCs. Anybody remember CPM? DOS? System Whatever. Those are operating systems. Basic? APL? Fortran? Those are programming languages.

I'm completely aware of the history and terminology.

The article compares Apples to PCs not Apples to Apples. I'm sure what is really meant is OSX to Windows but that is not what is written.

[XMattingly]

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It doesn't matter... nothing to get in a tizzy over. Mac/PC is very common terminology when contrasting the two platforms against each other. Sometimes these nomenclatures enter so deeply into popular culture that most people aren't even aware of the true meaning from a conversational level.

A band-aid is an "adhesive bandage"... xerox is commonly used as a verb for "photocopy"... even though "calling a spade a spade" is not a racial slur, most people think it is. A Mac is a computer made by Apple, Inc. and a PC is a box that runs Microsoft Windows.

[tebaker28]

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tebaker28 said:

I'm sick of "PC" = Windows.
> Your beef is with MS and Windows not with the computer. I'm no Windows fan by a long shot.
> PC hardware can run any number of OSs (except MacOS but that's Apple's decision.)
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> I know. I know. the great majority of PC hardware runs Windows....yada yada yada. NOT the point. Say what you mean. "A Windows PC is no bargain...." ...but then, I guess, MS would throw a sh*t-fit.
The use of the word 'PC' in this story is from Apple, not us. Not sure to whom you're directing the "your beef" comment.

Ah. .... ...directed at whomever is making a distinction between PC and Apple, equating PC and Windows, and then denigrating the PC when they really mean Windows.

[Wondercow]

XMattingly said:

M$ is apparently banking on consumers who only look at sticker price.

Which is, unfortunately, the vast majority of consumers. But the funny thing is that this has been true since PCs first came to market (or, at least, shortly after) and is a major reason why Apple has seriously lagged behind MS in corporate and home markets since the early 80s and mid 80s, respectively. "Everyone" already knows that PCs are cheaper upfront and yet this is MS' plan for a marketing campaign: advertise what is already common knowledge and present nothing new to the consumer--except that your competition is for cool people.

[Ilgaz]

If it is intentional, Apple is doing the right thing for not taking MS serious.
In fact, by such ads, MS admits that Macintosh and OS X is a very large threat to them and makes people see Mac as credible option. Ever thought of it?
It is a rule in politics. E.g. you won't see a party having 50% vote will talk negatively about the 3% one. Why? It would give them credibility and people may think that they are an alternative to you.

[mdawson]

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Yes I know it's more work.... charge more for it.

Apple does not choose to bar OS X from other PCs because it would be more work for their developers; they do so because it is a bad business decision. Apple has been there, done that and they know that offering OS X on the open market to be installed on any PC is destructive to Apple?s bottom line. Thee are absolutely no benefits for Apple going that route.