[mbaggio]

Apple was the lesser then but have since surpassed MS.

[wynand32]

tomascco - I used a MacBook Pro as my primary home system (at least 50% of my overall usage) for over a year, up until a few weeks ago. I'm pretty sure I've experienced a good deal of what OS X has to offer. It's a fine OS, I just haven't found it to be significantly better than WIndows. Certainly, I didn't spend any less time managing it--my Vista (and now Windows 7 beta) systems run just fine without significant effort.

In fact, I'd wager that I spent more time "managing" OS X than I did my Vista/Win 7 system at work, for which I've done basically no managing at all. And, ultimately, I just find myself being more productive in Windows than on OS X.

Of course, others will likely jump in here and tell me I'm wrong about my own experiences...

[wynand32]

ChrisLJ - I didn't say that ANY Windows machine can play any game; that would be stupid. I said that Windows machines can play any game, and by that of course I'm talking about the platform. And I don't know many people who would argue that Windows is a far better gaming platform than OS X.

As for corporate environments, there are very real and important reasons why Windows dominates, "by default," as you say. And that's simply as I said: there's far greater support for Windows machines with enterprise applications.

And come on, seriously: it's not just "eventually" that a Windows system will get the same things done as a Mac. It's within the same amount of time, unless you want to point to something specific. Perhaps in the creative world what you say is true, but even there I doubt it in all but the most niche of cases.

[Grapho]

I think for some work, you are right, but other type of work will alway require a dedicated local system. But who know what the future has in store.

[wynand32]

mbaggio - Apple surpassed MS? By what (objective) standard?

[ChrisLJ]

wynand32,

" ... Windows is a far better gaming platform than OS X."

Very true. That's why I built my own gaming PC a few years ago. Dollar for dollar, you can build a much more competent rig for games than you can get buying from Apple. And I agree that the majority of enterprise software is geared towards Windows. I guess we don't disagree that much after all. But all logic aside, I still like to argue.

[wynand32]

ChrisLJ - But of course! Argument is the spice of life, or something like that...

[XMattingly]

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{size:10px} wynand32 wrote: mbaggio - Apple surpassed MS? By what (objective) standard?{size}

Ease of use. Intuitiveness. A very flexible interface that is capable without the kludge. Nearly maintenance free performance (which is partly why most IT guys hate Mac OS). On second thought... Apple has been ahead of M$ on all those points for quite some time now.

[wynand32]

XMattingly - I said, objective standard. Because I don't agree with your subjective measures.

[XMattingly]

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{size:10px} SeanU wrote: Apple and Microsoft are just trying to distract you from the fact that soon their platforms won't matter... all you will need is Firefox, a few open source Plugins and a Google Account to do 90% of your stuff.{size}

Call that overzealousness on the part of the web app advocates. Sure there is a definite trend towards miniaturized computers (ie. netbooks) and appliance computing, but I don't know too many graphics, animation, video, or audio engineer idiots who believe they're going to ever have everything they need in a web browser.

Apple and M$ are most definitely not blind to that trend either... why do you think they're building in features such as MobileMe & other ubiquitous computing capability?

[XMattingly]

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{size:10px} wynand32 wrote: XMattingly - I said, objective standard. Because I don't agree with your subjective measures.{size}

I don't agree with what you grossly assume to be "subjective".

My "measures" are the same as most other people, including consumer reports that have compared Mac OS and Windows side by side and drawn the same conclusions. My "measures" also come from years of experience working with computers, and the fact that legions of people in the creative fields find Macs to be much easier and more intuitive to use... also from places I have worked where one IT guy can handle a bank of Macs, as opposed to having to staff an entire team to support Windows machines.

Of course, my "measures" are never going to be justification enough for someone who is obviously trolling for an argument with anyone and everyone, anyway.

[wynand32]

XMattingly - Not trolling at all. Just can't stand when people take unsubstantiated positions. As I've mentioned elsewhere, I consider both OS X and Windows to be good platforms that have their places. I use both extensively, and find strengths and weaknesses in both.

[XMattingly]

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{size:10px} wynand32 wrote: XMattingly - Not trolling at all. Just can't stand when people take unsubstantiated positions.{size}

That's not really how your posts came across to me, but I can take your word for it - I'm not interested in pointless argument, anyway... I don't care for unsubstantiated positions, either. I've worked on both machines, and have my preference -- colleagues in the creative community agree with me, almost without exception.

And to be clear, I'm not one of those enthusiasts who believes "my" platform is the be-all, get-all solution for everyone; though I do believe Mac OS is superior on the counts I mentioned. I know there are plenty of people who prefer Windows, and they have their own reasons. Just like there is a very loyal following of Linux... choice is good.

[wynand32]

Xmattingly - Fair enough.