[mdawson]

A computer is more than the sum of its parts and Macs are not just like other PCs. Apple always has and still does design their motherboards. Not a single Mac on the market has a generic pre-fabricated ATX board inside. So I will repeat this for the billionth time, the Intel transition has not altered Apple's business or manufacturing models.

OS X is more stable than Windows because Apple can test 100% of the target hardware population as well as having built their OS on BSD UNIX and Darwin.

[vfx2k4]

Um I'm so not sorry to see this happen. They went into this with eyes wide open. Next time make a product that doesn't rip off other products.

[NanoFrog]

Ironic. Apple launched its great system in the famous "1984" Orwellian TV commercial, now, in 2009 they have become the most offensive big brother of all time with DRM, app store authoritarianism, mindless anal control over the full user experience in OS X and the iPhone...Apple has become invasive, controlling and pretty much the iPod company rather than a computer corporation....the whole experience is absurdly invasive and controlling, I hate it all. I love my Mac, been using them nearly 25 years, but clearly their "new" direction into user and technology control is not in any way a good thing....I like my Mac computer but would never use the app store or have an iphone because of this anal and invasive behavior....MACs started with freedom and openness but that is now dead.

[mdawson]

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today is a sad day

Hardly.

[Photonerd]

Game over. Play by the rules or lose your shirt. Now back to your regularly scheduled, legit Macs.

[rab777hp]

wow, what fanboyz we have here...

[himbo]

rab777hp said:

wow, what fanboyz we have here...

Yeah, it's tragic how few people got behind a fly-by-night startup that wanted to make money by illegally selling Apple's software.

[Cog3125]

>The list of creditors is topped by Carr & Farrell, the intellectual property law firm that was representing Psystar in its case against Apple (though the form oddly lists the nature of the claim as "Credit Card Processing"),<
Huh. This is odd. Psystar has been getting intellectual property advice from a firm that processes credit cards? (And here I presumed all this time it was from people who deliver takeout. Who knew?) This would explain so much. :-)

[rab777hp]

They weren't pirating software. They had a legitimate business.
What they were doing was selling a niche product, they like mac os x, that's the whole point, they wanted there to be a mac available that was a mid line product, a tower, but not quite as juiced up as a mac pro, and not as stripped down as a mini. So they made that computer, they did it by themselves, originally (and already were an established PC maker), and it was their own design. In fact, this probably helped Apple more than hurt it, they got people to buy Macs who would previously not be able to afford one, and thus enticed people onto the mac platform. Plus, Apple profited from each sale, someone has to pay for each copy of leopard on each machine, which was purchased legitimately by psystar.
In addition, perhaps most of all, they created competition, competition is one of the greatest things in business, it causes businesses to reform, change, and adapt. If psystar hadn't gone under, they might have eventually forced apple to create a product similar to the open computer.

[Wondercow]

NanoFrog said:

Ironic. Apple launched its great system in the famous "1984" Orwellian TV commercial, now, in 2009 they have become the most offensive big brother of all time with DRM

You mean the DRM that the music labels forced Apple to use? You mean the DRM that was instrumental in the creation of the legitimate music and video download market? The same DRM that Apple dumped as soon as it was allowed by the labels?
>app store authoritarianism
And yet, if there were no control people would be clamoring for Apple to fix the crashing, instability, viruses, etc.
>mindless anal control over the full user experience in OS X and the iPhone...Apple has become invasive, controlling and pretty much the iPod company rather than a computer corporation....the whole experience is absurdly invasive and controlling, I hate it all. I love my Mac, been using them nearly 25 years, but clearly their "new" direction into user and technology control is not in any way a good thing....I like my Mac computer but would never use the app store or have an iphone because of this anal and invasive behavior....MACs started with freedom and openness but that is now dead.
Macs started with freedom and openness?! What have you been smoking?

[himbo]

rab777hp said:

They weren't pirating software. They had a legitimate business.

Nobody said anything about piracy. Their "legitimate business" consisted of violating the EULA of Apple's operating system.

The end.

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> They weren't pirating software. They had a legitimate business.

Nobody said anything about piracy. Their "legitimate business" consisted of violating the EULA of Apple's operating system.

The end.

More than just the EULA, they had to hack the OS to get it to work. That's falls under copyright, which is a much more easily actioned violation than EULA.

[mdawson]

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They weren't pirating software. They had a legitimate business.

himbo did not state that Psystar pirated software. In fact, I cannot recall anyone making such a statement. What he wrote was that Psystar was ?illegally selling Apple's software? and that is completely correct. Assembling a PC out of pre-fabricated parts is a legitimate business because it is the model that nearly all Wintel PC OEMs follow on what is an open, non-owned platform. Buying copies of OS X, installing OS X on non-Apple hardware (contract violation) and hacking the operating system in order to do so (copyright violation) is illegal.

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What they were doing was selling a niche product, they like mac os x, that's the whole point, they wanted there to be a mac available that was a mid line product, a tower, but not quite as juiced up as a mac pro, and not as stripped down as a mini.

Wrong. Psystar is a bunch of opportunists leeching off of other people?s work to placate people that think they are entitled to get what they want regardless of the owner?s right to dictate their business model. Apple is the only company that gets to decide the Mac product line, period. The Mac platform is not open, it is Apple?s exclusive property.

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In fact, this probably helped Apple more than hurt it, they got people to buy Macs who would previously not be able to afford one, and thus enticed people onto the mac platform.

Right, because knockoffs always help the actual brand. The only thing Psystar can do is damage Apple?s reputation because most people do not frequent boards like this to know that Psystar?s products are neither supported or sanctioned by Apple. You cannot call Apple tech support for a Mac clone. You cannot take a Mac clone into an Apple Store for service. You cannot get legitimate updates for OS X for a Psystar system.

If people are going to be enticed by the Mac platform, then they will be enticed by the real thing and not some cheap wannabe. If they really want a Mac, then they will do what is necessary to acquire one or they can learn to do without as they do with every other product they cannot afford. If people want a cheap computer then they have other choices; none of them come from Apple and Apple is quite obviously comfortable with their longstanding decision not to cater to the Wal-Mart computer shoppers.

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Plus, Apple profited from each sale, someone has to pay for each copy of leopard on each machine, which was purchased legitimately by psystar.

Clearly the concept of profit is lost on you. If a fully functional version of Microsoft Office has a market price of upwards of $500, what makes you think for one second that OS X is profitable for Apple at $129? OS X is a subsidized product. The retail price is an upgrade rate for existing OS X installs. Psystar does not have a legitimate OS X installation to upgrade from, so in actuality they are robbing Apple blind because their hardware sales contribute absolutely nothing to OS X?s continued development.

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In addition, perhaps most of all, they created competition...

And as usual the total lack of understanding of what words actually mean by a Psystar supporter. Apple has competition. Microsoft competes against Apple in the operating system market. Dell, HP, Gateway, Sony, et al., compete against Apple in the hardware market. Business competition can only legitimately exist in a market, not within a brand. Progresso cannot buy Campbell?s soup and resell it claiming that they legitimately purchased the soup. Apple reforms, changes and adapts because they do, and have always had, competition from other computing platforms.

[mdawson]

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As a consumer, who in their right mind would buy such an unsupported machine and actually depend on doing work on that machine?

I guess you have not been following every Psystar thread for the past year or you place far too much faith in the intelligence of the average consumer. :)

There are quite a few people that are uninformed, cheap or just downright stupid out there. In the past year, several people have come on these boards in defense of Psystar despite the facts. Most of them seem to just stick their heads up their ? when the facts are presented and continue to spout the same unsubstantiated bilge once their points are shot down.