[matrixmaniac]

It would have to be called MICROPPLE, not MAPPLE though ;-)

[MegaZega]

If I recall correctly, didn't AT&T allow current iPhone 2G users to upgrade to the 3G for only like, $100? Does anyone know if they are going to do something similar for current 3G users? I just bought my phone for $500 dollars back in October, and I really want the latest version!

[zarmanto]

gwg76 said:

Random thought and perhaps a stupid question: Is there any other way to get the MacWorld Live Update other than hitting "refresh" on my browser? ...

That's not a stupid question at all. I suspect that the answer lies somewhere between, "Obviously it's perfectly doable, since MacRumorsLive.com does it quite well", and "Macworld just doesn't have the bandwidth to do that for its vastly larger reader-base."

Of course, MacRumorsLive doesn't have quite the same refined quality of commentary as that provided by our good friends here at Macworld... ;)

[venividivici]

Now that I have had some food. Let me say something in retrospective from what I saw at WWDC.

It truly is for developing for Apple products. That said, I think there is too much focus on iPhone. I do appreciate the technology, hardware and software.

But, I am a developer myself, and I do believe we're missing something big where we can make OS X Snow Leopard shine. And that is with the integration of all Apple software.I am quite excited to see Quicktime X. We need Quicktime to show more users its capabilities, Flash and now Silverlight need some serious competition in their face. For a while Quicktime was the 'it' media technology. It has to be back up there.

That's why I think we need an amazing hardware to go with the amazing Snow Leopard. Something I was not clarified on was if it will run on PPC laptops and towers, or only Intel.

I mean, If they're just going to launch it for Intel, then give me a new amazing Intel box, not just a laptop, but a desktop version... if we're talking portable... there needs to be a netbook for that middle work... not as big as the Macbooks but more powerful than the iPhone. That's why we're also missing a middle ground desktop box, not as powerful as a MacPro but more than the iMac.

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[dtflick1]

I?m a bit disappointed. I like the bump for the macbooks and air, but the iPhone 3GS? Really? 3.0mp camera? They couldn?t bring it up a bit to say 4 or 5mp? I see a ton of phones out there nowadays with cameras at least that good. No OLED? Another feature that other phones have picked up on. That alone would have bumped the battery life even more than what they claim now. And no voice control, compass, or video for iPhone 3G with 3.0? That's pretty lame. Just a marketing ploy to get people to upgrade to the new iPhone 3GS. It also seems like to get turn-by-turn navigation, you'll have to buy a TomTom app, rather than just adding the feature to the Maps app that?s already there. Add to that the mount and speaker and I?ll just stick with my current GPS, not to mention the voice dialing likely wont be available for the 3G. I was really anticipating something much more significant in the new phone. The hardware upgrade alone isn't enough for me to upgrade my phone. The fact that I wont have voice control, video, or compass (which was really just a novelty thing for me, but still pretty cool) will just irritate me, but also not enough to run out and drop the cash for the new model. I bought a new unibody macbook a few months ago, so it looks like no new apple hardware for a while for me. With the new hardware they've unveiled today, I think many people will feel the same way. While the updates are nice, I don't think they are significant enough to get people to run to their local apple stores, or win over the hearts and minds of potentially new customers. Too bad, so sad :(

[srookard]

It never ceases to amaze me when people come into a forum about apple products and hammer down on the company for never doing enough.

Hell -- they could have made a phone that gave you guys a virtual happy ending, and you'd still bitch and moan that it wasn't the best you'd ever had.

Sad...

[venividivici]

srookard wrote:

It never ceases to amaze me when people come into a forum about apple products and hammer down on the company for never doing enough.

Hell -- they could have made a phone that gave you guys a virtual happy ending, and you'd still bitch and moan that it wasn't the best you'd ever had.

Sad...

It never ceases to amaze me when people come to a wide open forum where people can post whatever they want to rant about and people are amazed at what people are ranting about that does not match their same views. Amazing!

[dtflick1]

I never said the company doesn?t do enough, nor am I going to jump ship to another computer or cell phone manufacturer. What I am saying, however, is that I don't think they did enough this time. I think they left out features that could have been easily integrated into the 3G, but chose not to. They could have integrated technologies that are already in use today by other manufacturers, but chose not to. I love apple. Products aside, I think the company as a whole is top notch. I love doing business with them, and will continue to do so. Could more have been done this time? Absolutely.

Does their lack of implementing these things leave the door wide open? Of course it does. New models, tiers, prices, etc. I look forward to it. I just wasn?t impressed this go-round.

What would I have liked? Like most people I would have liked to see OLED, better camera (better than 3.0), and a forward facing camera for video messaging. iPhone Pro with these things would have been a nice addition to the iPhone 3GS. The missing features on 3G for 3.0 is quite disappointing. I?m thrilled they upped the storage, and boosted the performance rather significantly (double the speed is significant to me). In my opinion, which is what this forum is for, opinions, what has been done just didn?t wow me enough to justify the expense.

I wasn?t expecting a netbook. After all, they did say time and again that they were definitely not getting into that market, so I wasn?t expecting it this year (who knows for next year). I was really hoping for a tablet. Smaller than a macbook, but bigger than an iPhone. Wasn?t expecting it, but was slightly disappointed. Leaves lots of anticipation for next time!

I?m a loyal mac convert and wont be selling off my equipment or my stock just because of a little disappointment with one WWDC presentation.

[sporks]

srookard said:

It never ceases to amaze me when people come into a forum about apple products and hammer down on the company for never doing enough.

Hell -- they could have made a phone that gave you guys a virtual happy ending, and you'd still bitch and moan that it wasn't the best you'd ever had.

Sad...

The world is full of people who, when they see a silver lining, immediately look for the cloud.

[Biallystock]

Well I'm chuffed they are beating Windows 7 to launch.

As for all the rest, meh.

spork: I think you can safely say the world is full of people.

[feefer]

Thanks for the most-excellent coverage: you guys smoked liveapplerumors.com on commentary. Although, gotta admit they smoked you guys on tech: they automatically updated the feed. Regardless, I'll take the former over the latter!

[mikem_sa]

wasn't expecting it, but was whimsically hoping they would enable the iphone 3g or 3gs to function like a hard drive, such as the ipod. I don't know if there is something in the architecture that prevents this.

also any functions on the 3gs that are not on the 3g, but can be supported by the hardware, should have had some options to include on the 3g.

most of the announcements for the iphone were already known from scott's OS 3.0 web presentation prior to the wwdc, so there weren't many surpirses on that front. the one i hadn't picked up on was tethering, which is a great delight.

if the macbook pro is replacing the macbook, does that signify the end of the macbook then? i want to get one, just have to justify the price tag

[grbear]

I find it interesting that I can't find any further reference on Apple's site regarding the 3D navigation feature is pictured in this article.
Is this an app I have to buy, or is it included. The only references I can find are the one that's already included in the current 3G, albeit with several upgrades.

[People_Eater]

dtflick1 said:

I?m a bit disappointed. I like the bump for the macbooks and air, but the iPhone 3GS? Really? 3.0mp camera? They couldn?t bring it up a bit to say 4 or 5mp? I see a ton of phones out there nowadays with cameras at least that good.

The quality of a camera is not measured in megapixels. Especially phone cameras. Most of the time those extra pixels aren't giving you a better picture.

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And no voice control, compass, or video for iPhone 3G with 3.0?

How the hell are they going to give the phone a compass with only software? It requires a hardware device. Likewise, the camera hardware in the 3G is probably not optimized for video, and the voice recognition probably requires more processing power.

Apple might be good, but they aren't magicians. Why do people expect their hardware to be upgradable by software?

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That's pretty lame. Just a marketing ploy to get people to upgrade to the new iPhone 3GS. It also seems like to get turn-by-turn navigation, you'll have to buy a TomTom app, rather than just adding the feature to the Maps app that?s already there.

Oh yeah, just "add turn-by-turn navigation" as if it were simply a matter of writing a few lines of code. Here's a clue: that's not trivial to develop. Why not leave that to the experts, rather than reinvent the wheel?

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While the updates are nice, I don't think they are significant enough to get people to run to their local apple stores, or win over the hearts and minds of potentially new customers. Too bad, so sad :(

I'm thinking you don't have the strongest grasp on what average customers think.