[rab777hp]

Also, memory is key, videos take up a lot of space, and so do large maps

[Chris Breen]

MacKayaker said:

Ultimately, I think MacWorld reflects the interests and priorities of it's editors more than it reflects the interests and priorities of the Mac community at large. It's why I, as a full time Mac support person, quit carrying the magazine. Too much is technology for technology sake and isn't about what Joe-average Mac user that I deal with day-in and day-out is about.

I won't belabor this because we've gone off-topic, but Macworld (small 'w') attempts to reflect the interest and priorities of the Apple community. That little blurb up at the top -- The Apple, Mac, iPod, and iPhone Experts -- pretty well spells it out. Apple devoted 2/3 of its keynote presentation to the iPhone, which indicates the iPhone is a pretty big deal to Apple. It is to us and millions of other iPhone users too. If you don't care for that kind of coverage, take what you need to support your clients and then avail yourself of the information that interests you.

[Chris Breen]

quadmax said:

I have an iPhone 3G and a Flip video camera. The iPhone's camera is terrible--and not just because of the resolution. It's OK for a casual snapshot or two but I end up spending way too much time in Photoshop trying to get a decent result. Even if my iPhone could record video I would not use it for anything that matters because the Flip video is so much more vibrant and crisp.

Ah, but suppose Apple makes an iPhone that produces video as good as what you get from a Flip. At that point do you consider carrying one device instead of two, particularly when you can edit and distribute the video right on the device?

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I have a Garmin Nuvi GPS and, while the iPhone's GPS/map is handy from time to time, it pales in comparison to the Nuvi for speed, features, and ease-of-use.

Again, what if it becomes as good? Because that's really what this is about. The iPhone is just a computer that can do what an application tells it to and what the hardware allows. I like my Flip and Garmin Nuvi too, but the minute that the iPhone equals or surpasses their capabilities, out they go.

[rab777hp]

Macworld has evolved, like apple, to be more like Appleworld, I'm fine with the change, Apple recently renamed from Apple Computer, Inc. to Apple, Inc. Macworld changed too, I like that, I enjoy that, and all this still affects the mac, (apple- duh). It seems to me that you are just trolling.

[sporks]

MacKayaker said:

bawilliamson wrote: Also, the enthusiasm for the iPhone from the medical community alone guarantees current and future success. Does Palm really think these kinds of must-have apps will ever make it to their platform?

With all due respect - Medical reference apps have been on the Palm for many years - it's the iPhone that's playing catch-up.

I don't think he was talking about medical reference apps. Take a look at the medical software in the App store. It's a lot more than reference stuff. And with the new API, you're already starting to see amazing things like medical hardware tied into the iPhone. It's not getting much press, but the iPhone is becoming a huge player in medicine.

[RandomMaccess]

You haven't met the Boy Scouts in my neighborhood. ;-)

While I agree that the compass is safe, the handheld GPS receiver that's become very popular with scouts (and other serious hikers and geocachers) has become an endangered species too.

--Chuck

[quadmax]

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Ah, but suppose Apple makes an iPhone that produces video as good as what you get from a Flip. At that point do you consider carrying one device instead of two, particularly when you can edit and distribute the video right on the device?

> I have a Garmin Nuvi GPS and, while the iPhone's GPS/map is handy from time to time, it pales in comparison to the Nuvi for speed, features, and ease-of-use.

Again, what if it becomes as good? Because that's really what this is about. The iPhone is just a computer that can do what an application tells it to and what the hardware allows. I like my Flip and Garmin Nuvi too, but the minute that the iPhone equals or surpasses their capabilities, out they go.

Since the iPhone 3GS does not offer any of those things are you saying that your article is a few years premature? :-)

[cypherpunks]

gfsh73 said:

OK, so it has more memory (at a price) and is faster if you're somewhere that can take advantage of that, but that's really about it.

No, it's faster everywhere. The 3G S isn't just a network speed update (though HSDPA does that too). The CPU is actually much faster, so faster app launches, faster UI response happens regardless of whether you're online.

It'll be interesting to see how quickly new apps appear that require the faster system, given that there will probably be a slow uptake from current 3G users.

[kimos]

I ordered mine today for my wife. I can use it with her and we can do video as I shot photos with a digi SLR. I hope for the tether, but AT&T must cooperate like they do with other data phones.I have video goggles but they only work on my iPod not a iPhone and I do not think the new s model will. Their is no sd card slot like the new macbooks. So what's the deal? Can we back up wirelessly to a new Apple site like kodak?

[Chris Breen]

quadmax said:

Since the iPhone 3GS does not offer any of those things are you saying that your article is a few years premature? :-)

In may be a little premature but I'm guessing not by a few years. We don't know what the iPhone 3G S's video will look like. It's not HD, but it may perform better in some cases than a Flip (macro shooting certainly, and we'll have to see about low light).

But even Pure Digital will tell you that the Flip is about style and immediacy. Sure, they'd like to produce great quality too, but they don't always. The iPhone has both things going for it.

[Jason Snell]

I will point out that during today's presentation, Apple didn't even bother to differentiate between the Mac and the iPhone & iPod touch when it charted the total installed base of OS X. It slapped 'em all in there. That feels meaningful in some way...

[jkross22]

The iPhone is great for gadget hounds, but is it really that great of a phone? Roughly 1/2 the iPhone users I know here in SoCal have complained about dropped calls and/or call sound quality. AT&T service leaves much to be desired, so the iPhone is a no go for me.

[jkross22]

Right now, cell phone cameras are not good enough to replace even point-and-shoots. But they're getting closer... much much closer.

Are you high? Image quality is based on the quality of lens and the size of the sensor. No phone with a camera is anywhere near even a mid-level point and shoot. Think about it... How much additional money would it cost to create a P&S picture with the appropriate lens and sensor.

But whatever man... just another Kool-Aid drinker believing whatever anyone tells them.

[People_Eater]

MacKayaker said:

Not only do most boy scouts not have the scratch necessary to buy and cover the monthly fees, neither do most Mac users.

Wait, what? Most Mac users can't afford the iPhone's monthly fees? Do you really believe that?

Macs are largely owned by middle-class and above people in first world countries. Sure, there are a few starving artist/student types who struggle with money, but even they could probably afford it by giving up coffee or buying cheaper art supplies.

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Personally, I despise the volume of articles MacWorld posts regarding iPhones. If the volume of articles on the iPhone were proportionate to the number of Mac users actually using them, we would see a fraction of the articles compared to the volume we non-users currently have to skip over.

Why would articles have to be proportionate to the number of users? The Xserve has very few users, so does that mean that Macworld shouldn't report Xserve news? The Apple keyboard probably has more users than any other Apple product, so why aren't we seeing keyboard articles every week?

In any case, I believe you are wrong. Probably half the Mac user base has an iPhone or iPod Touch, and an even higher percentage among readers of Macworld. If you don't like iPhone stories, then maybe proportionality isn't what you should be wishing for?