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sEaMoNkeY said:
> I'm reluctant to even respond to your comment because it is so poorly thought out
Please do point out where my single-sentence post that directly refutes what you said is "poorly thought out". Apparently you meant something other than what you actually said--this is a common problem, people don't say what they're thinking expecting instead that others will be mind-readers.
Please do point out where my single-sentence post that directly refutes what you said is "poorly thought out". Apparently you meant something other than what you actually said--this is a common problem, people don't say what they're thinking expecting instead that others will be mind-readers.
You are right on that count. I apologize.
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>but I simply have to point out several obvious things to you. First, Dell is a company that makes computers. Apple is a company that makes computers and other gadgets. They both offer COMPUTERS. Therefor, they are competing in the COMPUTER MARKET.
AppStore Developers make applications, Cydia developers make applications. They both offer APPLICATIONS. Therefore they are competing in the iPHONEOS APPLICATIONS MARKET.
AppStore Developers make applications, Cydia developers make applications. They both offer APPLICATIONS. Therefore they are competing in the iPHONEOS APPLICATIONS MARKET.
Yes, they both make applications, but the App Store developers make applications that meet apple's guidelines. They make applications that do not do things that apple prohibits. I am looking at the Cydia Store as i write this. There is an app called "voicemail forwarder". It's $2.50. In reality, it is not an app, it is a package. It adds a button to the voicemail section of the phone app which sends the audio of the voicemail to whoever you want via email. You would never find that in the app store! Ever. Here's another example. There is a $1 package in the cydia store called "Cyntact." It was actually the first package in the cydia store. It adds a picture to the left side of each contact in the contacts or phone application (and app store apps with contact lists, but that doesn't work for me at least). Once again, you'd never see it in the app store! Ever! I'm going to quote Jay "Saurik" Freeman, the brains behind and developer of Cyntact, Cydia and the Cydia Store:
"I feel cyntact truly honors what it means to be an "unofficial app": this is the kind of package that Apple would have to make a fundamental change to their entire vision, even technologically, yo allow in their store.
So, will we one day see Cycorder (video recording app) in the app store? Maybe. Will apple eventually decide to add this feature to the iPhone? Certainly. But I guarantee that you will never see a package like Cyntact to buy in the App Store."
Developers who write apps for the cydia store write fundamentally different apps from the app store developers.
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>Now let me explai. How this is different from the topic at hand.
Oh, please do.
> The App Stores sells applications for iPhones and iPod Touches, but obly those that that meet the App Stores Guidlines. The Cydia Store only sells apps (packages, really) that do not meet the App Store's Guidlines. They could never be allowed in the app store! They are offering different things.
Apple only sells computers that meet Apple's various guidelines. The Dell store sells computers that do not meet Apple's guidelines; they could never be allowed in an Apple store. Therefore, Dell and Apple are not competition.
Oh, please do.
> The App Stores sells applications for iPhones and iPod Touches, but obly those that that meet the App Stores Guidlines. The Cydia Store only sells apps (packages, really) that do not meet the App Store's Guidlines. They could never be allowed in the app store! They are offering different things.
Apple only sells computers that meet Apple's various guidelines. The Dell store sells computers that do not meet Apple's guidelines; they could never be allowed in an Apple store. Therefore, Dell and Apple are not competition.
Apple only sells APPLE computers. Not tons of other companies make that they approve of. Dells sells computers that are made by DELL. Look, when you talk about software, it is incredibly hard, almost impossible, in fact, to have a good, valid comparison, because software is like nothing else. What other things can there be only one copy and have millions of people get it? What other good can millions of people all download and use the same copy? But that has little to do with what we are talking about.
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You're trying to create a difference where one does not exist. The point you're trying to make, it would seem, is that since Store A would never sell the wares offered by Store B then the two are not in competition. That is the fallacy that I am demonstrating: Store A (Apple) would never sell the wares offered by Store B (Dell)....
To take it in another direction, if the AppStore offers a voice recorder app and Cydia offers a voice recorder app then the two sources are competing for the user, notwithstanding the fact that the Cydia app would never be allowed in the AppStore.
To take it in another direction, if the AppStore offers a voice recorder app and Cydia offers a voice recorder app then the two sources are competing for the user, notwithstanding the fact that the Cydia app would never be allowed in the AppStore.
There is a difference between these two stores. The Cydia store ONLY sells apps that do not meet the app store standards, and the app store ONLY sells apps that do. Technically speaking, the cydia store offers packages, which extend the features of the iPhone OS. Though it does offer two packages which are apps: iWipe, a utility that securely deletes data, and SwirlyMMS 2, an app for sending and receiving MMS. They would never be allowed in the app store. There is nothing in the cydia store that competes with an app in the app store.
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