[zarmanto]

mdawson said:

Every one of his posts have been anti-Apple FUD, allegory and lies in the fact of factual rebuttals that early on were often joined with legitimate, linked, objective citations to the contrary of everything jman3001 has ever stated.

Yes, but why stop the rebuttals now, just because you already know that his particular brand of numbskullery has no foundation in reality? At the very least, he gives some of us slightly more intelligent users in the forum a good reason to do some googling on various interesting topics... I'm sure that I never would have bothered to read Wikipedia's fascinating entry for "troll", if not for jman's ramblings in another thread. ;)

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At this point the idea of someone like jman3001 being fined $5000 just brings a smile to my face.

In that case, you'll probably also enjoy my (only somewhat tongue-in-cheek) interpretation of the Wikipedia entry for the word "shill". Quoted in part: "Shilling is illegal in many circumstances..." such as when the shill places "...uninformed parties at a risk of loss... ." So if jman actually manages to convince an "Uninformed Party" to buy a Psystar hackintosh, and then Psystar ends up having to collect a fine from that Party, then theoretically jman could be held personally culpable for the loss sustained by that Party. (I think a good lawyer might even argue that this applies even if jman doesn't actually work for Psystar.)

So by all means, jman: keep right on shilling... and let us know how that works out for you. ;)

(Wait for it... here comes his angry rebuttal........)

[ddgee]

"As for the Genius Bar, what's not to like about being able to take your machine in to a place that knows what they are doing and sit there with them as they diagnose and many times resolve your issue while you wait? "

Unless they changed their policy - you usually have to make an appointment with the Genius Bar before they look at your Mac. I wasted my time when I brought my MBP (bad DVD drive) to the Apple Store in Thousands Oaks, CA and waited in line - they asked me if I had a scheduled appointment and I said no. I went home ticked off because I couldn't make an appointment that moment but had to make one online. No "while you wait" there.

[Winski]

Of course, if they are not overly busy you can always go to any machine in the store and make an appointment. You probably won't get in right away, but you could potentially browse the mall until your turn.

My point was that no other computer company has the Genius Bar, where (if you made your appointment) you can walk in with your machine in hand and work with a professional from the actual manufacturer. There are times when they resolve the issue on the spot. Other times, they need to repair the machine. Either way, it is unique to Apple and it's a good service.

[jman3001]

> Apple agreed not to collect any damages from Psystar if it wins its copyright infringement case, prompting the bankruptcy court to lift the stay. (In previous filings, Apple has asked the U.S. District Court for a permanent injunction that would bar Psystar from selling any more hardware with Apple software and require Psystar to recall every clone it’s sold—moves that would effectively put the clone maker out of business.
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Seems pretty clear to me. Whatever you fools are smoking, probably explains why you overpay for your computers.
Shills for Apple like to criticize anyone that takes a different road. It makes me laugh to see how quickly you all jump, when I say jump!!
You get your information from Wikopedia? My God you guys are stupid.....

[jman3001]

Yes, I have called Apple Care for support. India, India all the way. Are they back in the US now? Great, I guess the recession is so bad that US labor has become less expensive than outsourcing to India.

[Chris Breen]

jman3001 said:

>My God you guys are stupid.....

And that, after several suggestions that you Polite Up around here, wins you the ticket out. Goodbye.

[Grapho]

I know that everybody has a right to his opinion, but this guy has overstayed his welcome. If he thinks Psystar is a good legal alternative, that is his prorogative, but once his insults start flying around, aside from expressing his misguided opinion... for months kind of leads me to believe that he is attempting to ether antagonize or convince him self.

If people want to use PC Windows, I say go for it. If is is good enough for them, why should I worry. The same goes for the Psystar crowd, just don't try to convince us that we are making a mistake by buying Apple. I am very, very happy indeed with my Mac Pro and my productivity has soared, particularly when rendering 3D projects using Luxology modo.

[zarmanto]

Grapho said:

... but once his insults start flying around, aside from expressing his misguided opinion... for months kind of leads me to believe that he is attempting to ether antagonize or convince him self.

No offense intended... but you're a little late to the most recent round with jman... Chris Breen has already dealt with him.

[Grapho]

No offense taken, but if you look carefully, my response is to Chris finally banning jman.

Like I said, I am all for dissenting opinions, but this guy kept up the bad attitude and the shilling for months. He would post in every Psystar story, almost like he had a vested intrest on Psystar.

[zarmanto]

So it is. I must have been reading several threads at once, as I could have sworn you posted it in another thread.

And he probably did have a vested interest in Psystar, after a fashion -- even if he was only a customer, and not actually affiliated with them any more directly than that. People don't like it very much when their activities are villainized, and as a Psystar customer, he seemed to take personal offense at all of the (many, many) insults thrown at Psystar (and by extension, their customers) in these forums.

On the other hand... by the tone and content of his posts, I was starting to think towards the end there that he was just a teenager looking to stir up some controversy -- in which case, there's no telling whether or not he ever actually owned one or more Psystar boxes, as he so proudly claimed.

[mdawson]

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...I was starting to think towards the end there that he was just a teenager looking to stir up some controversy...

Nah. He was clearly a member of what leary dubbed the iWant? crowd. That group consists of mostly Windows users brainwashed by the sell under cost business model in which most Wintel OEMs engage. These people work under the patently false premise that computers are cheap commodities that a teen on minimum wage can run out and by on a week?s pay. The fact that this mindset has been spawned on a platform where a full version of the operating system costs upwards of $500 shows the grandiose ignorance of this crowd in terms of what computers should cost.

The particular point of the iWants? is that they only apply this logic to Apple. None of these people have any complaints about companies in other markets that do not cater to the everything from Wal-mart mentality.

Like any company that puts quality above the lowest common denominator, Apple has and needs to protect their brand identity from leeches like Psystar that not only want to ride Apple?s coattails, they wish to take the coat. Those individuals that take issue with how Apple chooses to control their platform can go elsewhere. That is not to say that Mac users have to fall in line?we all have our grievances or complaints with Apple; the company is not perfect?but at the same time, most of us actually pay attention. What jman3001 and others like him purport is a repeat of history that has been proven disastrous for Apple. Those of us that can remember farther back than the Intel transition do not want to go through that fiasco again.

[Chris Breen]

Ahem. Some might consider it rude to criticize someone who no longer has the ability to defend himself. Enough about this guy. He's gone. Let's move on.

[mdawson]

Actually, I was referring to the mindset in general to which jman3001 became the (worst case) poster child. I have not launched into any insults, simply the error of the mentality.

Point taken, otherwise.

[Chris Breen]

mdawson said:

Actually, I was referring to the mindset in general to which jman3001 became the (worst case) poster child.

And I wasn't referring to your post in particular. The guy did his best to pull the thread off topic and the irony of losing him and yet staying off topic to talk about him shouldn't be lost on us.