[maikerukun]

They also immediately state after that there are 50,000 apps to choose from. It's a logical assumption that he was stating 1 billion downloads as the important part.

[Hamranhansenhansen]

>> various media outlets will dub it an
>> iPhone killer."
> but then goes on making exactly the same mistakes
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No, I have to defend the author here.
About 2 months before the Pre shipped, the Chairman of Palm himself said the Pre was an "iPhone killer". He also said that come June 29, 2009 when the first iPhone 2-year contracts were up that "not one of those people will be using an iPhone a month later." He went so overboard on Pre vs. iPhone that at the Pre launch they showed a video where the CEO of Palm made fun of the Chairman for his big mouth and they tried their best to walk it all back.
So the Pre deserves its status as iPhone killer more than many other phones. In the case of the Pre, it wasn't the media branding it that way, but the Chairman of Palm.

[downunder]

Recently, a friend who had for a long time said their next computer would be a Mac, went out and got a new DULL laptop. She knew I would be upset but did so anyway.
My Point...
Windows based IBM compatible PCs have 85% market share and basically most people are sheep and just follow the pack. With the iPhone they are out in front with a huge market share and deliver a better product than Microsoft could ever dream of, so they are going to be around for a long time soon...
I'm with adobephile... long live Steve and Apple, and I rejoice and give thanks every day that I am not a sheep.

[Hamranhansenhansen]

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And open source is one of Android's biggest advantages.

It's also one of the iPhone's biggest advantages. The core OS on the iPhone is open source, all completely modernized, and with heritage going back to the mid 1980's. In the case of the iPhone, though, the core OS can scale from ARM up to multiple Xeon CPU's and it has a modern compositing graphics interface. Android is drawing pixels directly on the screen like it's 1984 and runs only on a single CPU architecture so they have a ways to go before they can claim any OS advantage over iPhone OS.

Plus, nobody has made the separate hardware and software thing work at all yet, so Android has some innovating to do if they're to be successful. Microsoft made it pay once with DOS-Windows, but not work, and they have not been able to make it pay again in over 10 years of handhelds. Nobody else has even come close.

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And I expect many more devices on the webOS to come, its a brilliant idea

If we are talking about brilliant ideas, it was brilliant of Tim Berners-Lee to use an early version of OS X to create the World Wide Web (he said he couldn't have done it with any other system), and it was brilliant of Apple to make OS X's Web rendering engine (WebKit) open source so that Palm could use it to render the Web inside WebOS rather than shipping yet another baby browser. Those 2 ideas were really good for everybody. It's great for Palm to finally join the Web-compatible party at this late date.

The thing that makes pushing the-Pre-as-innovative so ludicrous is that with Palm's decade plus of handhelds, the Pre should have come out before the iPhone, yet even after the iPhone it still took them 2 years. Then their Chairman said all original iPhone users would switch to a Pre when their contract was up in June 2009, and then they introduced an 8GB model for $299 when the iPhone with 8GB sells for $99. I had an original iPhone in June 2009 and I looked at the Pre and they were literally asking me to go back in time 2 years to before there was an SDK, to before the first bugs were worked out. It's ridiculous. I bought an iPhone 3GS for $299 (same price as the Pre) and it has 32GB (which is computer-sized storage, my PowerBook G4 from 2001 had a 32GB disk) instead of 8 and is also a 640x480 H.264/AAC video camera with YouTube upload instead of stills. Making 3 second loops instead of stills is remarkably good for a lot of phone camera applications. And I have about 20 3rd party apps (possibly more than exist for the Pre) which cost me maybe $40 total, including an outstanding 4-track audio recorder called FourTrack and games like Ms. Pac-Man and Doom. I have 4 movies on there, a bunch of Podcasts, a number of video clips and hours of multitrack lossless audio recordings, and I have 20GB free. How many years will it be until there is a Pre in the world that the user can totally ignore storage space and look and find 20GB free?

Good luck to Palm. It's the best iPhone clone yet but in spite of Palm's 10 plus years of handhelds the Pre is 2 years behind iPhone and it is not gaining.

[rab777hp]

Actually, webkit can be attributed to KDE,
and most things use webkit now- except for IE and Gecko browers
that means chrome, mobile chrome, and many other browsers.

And please, don't use terms you don't understand: the iPhone OS is NOT open source
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Open_source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSourceDefinition

[Wondercow]

rab777hp said:

As opposed to the iPhone kill switch which we know for certain IS there, and can't do anything about it?

Nice try at deflection. No one here claimed that Apple's doesn't exist. No one here was ignorant enough to claim that Apple is superior to another company because the iPhone doesn't contain a kill-switch. Lastly, no one here buries his head so far into the sand so as to chastise one company for a kill-switch and then say "meh" when it's brought to his attention that his favoured phone does.

[rab777hp]

Apple we know for sure has a kill switch.
From google, we have a vague piece of writing saying they have the right to eliminate malicious applications, it possibly could be kill switch- possibly not- point is: we don't know for sure.

[Wondercow]

rab777hp said:

Apple we know for sure has a kill switch.
From google, we have a vague piece of writing saying they have the right to eliminate malicious applications, it possibly could be kill switch- possibly not- point is: we don't know for sure.

Keep digging that hole--deeper & deeper. Google's quote is thus:
bq. Google may discover a product that violates the developer distribution agreement ... in such an instance, Google retains the right to remotely remove those applications from your device at its sole discretion
Maybe a kill-switch, maybe not? How do think Google will remove any offending apps--ask the user to mail their phone to Google for a wipe? And how will they do it remotely? If no built-in kill-switch how does Google "remotely remove apps from the user's device"?

Those of us with basic reading comprehension skills know for sure, those of us who want to believe that anything Apple is bad and thus no other company could possibly take the "worst" of the iPhone and use it for themselves remain ignorant.

[rab777hp]

There are several ways- it could be a functionality of the android market- point is: we don't know for sure
plus, apple can not only kill applications- but the GPS as well

[rbonill2]

The iPhone will never be killed because no other phone manufacture makes its own operating system. Look at any other phone manufacture and they always are using third party operating systems, which are almost always windows mobile (and if you have ever tried a touch phone with this OS you know how clunky and slow it can be). The iPhone is so amazing because the OS built into the phone is designed exactly to do what the phone was built for. Other phone manufactures may have ideas for what they want the phone to do, but they cannot utilize the capabilities of the phone because the OS is not capable of reproducing its intended commands. Until a company can design its own OS will the people see an iPhone killer

[rab777hp]

Think before you speak- what you said was not indeed true, Nokia produces Symbian

According to your logic Apple should dominate the computer market because they make their own hardware.
Clearly you are wrong.

[neutrino23]

"Another overlooked point: Apple, although not perfect, is obsessed with the end customer experience."
So true. I noticed that even the box for the iPhone 3GS is well made. When you slide open the box it opens slowly as it is almost air tight. If you hold the top the weight of the contents causes it to slowly slide down. It is a little thing but it helps you feel that they value the contents and so should you.

[Wondercow]

rab777hp said:

There are several ways- it could be a functionality of the android market

So what? It's still a kill-switch--Google has in place a mechanism by which to remotely delete applications, no matter how it's accomplished it is what it is.
>point is: we don't know for sure
As I said previously: those of us with solid reading comprehension know for sure. Those of us who enjoy remaining ignorant so long as it serves to fulfill a delusional fantasy that all things Apple are bad and all things non-Apple are good remain ignorant (and not just about this but also on the topics of the most insecure browser, the origins of multiple desktops, etc.)

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plus, apple can not only kill applications- but the GPS as well

Now, I admit that I could be wrong on this point, but the only information that I've ever found linking GPS and Apple's kill-switch is that people have (had) found that Apple can kill applications that use the GPS system (so that people can't surreptitiously track iPhone users). So, more ignorance on your part or do you a link to reputable info?

[rab777hp]

Apple certainly doesn't give a rat's fart over my experience as a customer, unless maybe i'm willing to pay an extra 2K, and even then!




and wondercrow:
http://www.macworld...._blacklist.html