[ReeceTarbert]

KPO said:

True, but Symbian^1 (aka S60 v5) is a bit underwhelming considering Nokia had two years to work on it. If it had come out 6 months or a year after the iPhone and had the Ovi Store been ready a year ago with a decent SDK it might have turned out differently, but I don't see it getting any traction outside Europe

Although Nokia was the main shareholder and now the only owner of Symbian Ltd., Symbian OS is used by different vendors who usually add their own user interfaces, the most notable being Series 60and 80 by Nokia, UIQ from UIQ Technology and MOAP for NTT DoCoMo. Series 60 v5 in particular is currently found in only 3 devices: Nokia 5530 XpressMusic, Nokia N97 and Nokia 5800 XpressMusic, while S60 v3 (at either FeaturePack 2 or 3) is the most widespread.

Now, I can't vouch for the Ovi Store as I've never used it, but the SDK has been available for a very long time and gets refreshed each time a new platform is added to their portfolio and I think it's actually quite nice. I don't care much for a "this SDK is better than the other" argument but, if nothing else, this one offers you more choices as you can code in C, Open C/C, Java, WRT (Web Runtime) and Python (check the details if you're interested).

That being said, the numbers are what they are: Nokia used to be the leader and still is, but things are moving fast and its market share is clearly shrinking. However, when I see people referring to Nokia as some Johnny-come-lately I can't help but shake my head in disbelief -- and no, I'm not referring to you! ;)



RT.

[Wondercow]

rab777hp said:

http://www.macworld...._blacklist.html

As I thought, deeper ignorance. Can you understand anything you read? The article you linked supports exactly what I said in my post: the kill-switch blocks an application's access to location data; it does not, as you claimed, "kill the GPS". Your statements ooze foolishness and a lack of basic understanding:
bq. plus, apple can not only kill applications- but the GPS as well
Apple cannot kill the GPS, Apple can prevent an application from accessing the GPS. Huge difference.

[rab777hp]

Which just shows your ignorance, what it doesn't do is kill the gps, the gps is hardware, so not in the literal sense, it kills it by kiling the access to the core location data, so they could block the whole OS from the location data, effectively killling the GPS

[Wondercow]

rab777hp said:

Which just shows your ignorance

Ooh, the barbs sting!
>what it doesn't do is kill the gps, the gps is hardware, so not in the literal sense, it kills it by kiling the access to the core location data, so they could block the whole OS from the location data, effectively killling the GPS
Really? Please provide a link that says that Apple "could block the whole OS from the location data". Any article I've read talks about applications, not the OS in entirety. Thank you for proving once again that reading comprehension is a skill that you lack--but you more than make up for it with uninformed supposition and inventing words that aren't there.

And, of course, all of this while still denying and apologizing for the Android kill-switch. Priceless.

[rab777hp]

You said it yourself, they can block all applications from interacting with location data.

[JakeT]

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And open source is one of Android's biggest advantages.

Except that with the iPhone, developers make money for developing apps and Apple does the marketing for them.

[rab777hp]

that was kind of random and incorrect

[Wondercow]

rab777hp said:

You said it yourself, they can block all applications from interacting with location data.

So you can't provide a link?

I actually didn't say "all"--do you have proof that Apple apps can be shut out from the GPS (I'm not saying they can't be, but you are, once again, making gross assumptions and presenting them as fact)? Do you yet understand the difference between the OS and the apps? Do you understand that apps need to be added to the blacklist (as opposed to, say, a master switch that instantly bans all apps)? Lastly, do you understand that this does not stop the apps from working but just denies them access to Location Services?

You're making this into something it's not while allowing Google to skate. How's the sand look from the other side?

[Grapho]

One million units sold in two days? In the UK they ran out of them in less then a week! So I think that just like the iPod, the iPhone is turning out to be a smashing success. Consider the world economic crisis, now consider the number of units Apple is moving per day. I happen to be in California last week. By chance I happened upon three deferent Apple stores through my travels, they all had lines going completely out of the store attempting to meet demand for the iPhone G3S.

I know you are a Nokia fan and all, but I think the iPhone is only getting started. Once they put a camera behind the touchscreen, which has been already patented by Apple, we will have in effect the elusive Dick Tracy video conferencing device that has been eluding us all these years. Couple this with a sun power cell charger and you are way ahead of the game, once again. I would lay down money that this is the next progression of the iPhone.

[rab777hp]

Did you even read the article? And you obviously didn't when it came out- you just learned about this right now after you started your agruments.

[Wondercow]

rab777hp said:

Did you even read the article? And you obviously didn't when it came out- you just learned about this right now after you started your agruments.

So you can't answer my questions and you can't refute my arguments. Good to know.

FWIW I read the linked article when it was first posted here and again from this thread. Since you can't actually call out any area that refutes what I've said I'll just put you back on the pile of illiterate, know-nothing Apple hater and Google apologist grasping at straws.

[rab777hp]

If you say so

[Feras]

The only iPhone killer will be another iPhone, period, other companies just don't get it, instead of looking to make an iPhone killer, they need to make there own revolutionary technology, just like apple did with the iPhone, and what Palm did with the Pre, they put a tremendous work on the OS, and missed on the hardware, the phone it self is very low on built quality, and quality is a top priority on all Apple products on software and Hardware, and that's why they will never be an iPhone killer till some one get these two aspects at the same level apple did or better.

[rlav]

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{quote:title=Macworld wrote:} asking themselves what they need to do to topple the iPhone. The answer, at least in the short term, seems to be ?not too much.?{quote}

The writer starts by claiming that competitors wouldn't need to do much to topple the iPhone. But then the rest of the article seems to be devoted to arguing that toppling it would be really difficult. I'm confused.