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Claims of Apple 'admitting' iPhone 3GS overheating are hot air
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 10:01 AM
i think that may be the most annoying article i've ever read in macworld/maccentral. perhaps next time we could cool it on the heat metaphors and chill out.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 11:01 AM
Seems kind of fishy. Does the iPod touch also display such warning?
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 11:16 AM
Dan... Dan... Dan...
The document might not be new, but the Last Modified date reads June 25, 2009 and let's face it, the reported operating temperatures are a bit on the lousy side: there are quite a few places around the world (including the U.S.A.) were you can easily exceed them!
And what about the suggestions?
Don't use the GPS in car on a hot day.* But of course! Why on earth should I want to use GPS in a car?
If the phone gets too hot, turn it off.* Well, I'm sure that would work wonders for the battery life, but what am I supposed to use in the meantime?
In all fairness I'm suprised that the article doesn't suggest I'd better bring with me a second phone for all these (not too far fetched) operating scenarios! :^0
RT.
PS: Sorry for being sarcastic but enough is enough.
The document might not be new, but the Last Modified date reads June 25, 2009 and let's face it, the reported operating temperatures are a bit on the lousy side: there are quite a few places around the world (including the U.S.A.) were you can easily exceed them!
And what about the suggestions?
Don't use the GPS in car on a hot day.* But of course! Why on earth should I want to use GPS in a car?
If the phone gets too hot, turn it off.* Well, I'm sure that would work wonders for the battery life, but what am I supposed to use in the meantime?
In all fairness I'm suprised that the article doesn't suggest I'd better bring with me a second phone for all these (not too far fetched) operating scenarios! :^0
RT.
PS: Sorry for being sarcastic but enough is enough.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 04:10 PM
rab777hp said:
Apple needs to get that hot air out of their head and just tell everyone the truth. This is serious, it is no joking manner if someone gets hurt
dude, you're like a twice paved road............
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 04:09 AM
CheeseHead said:
Seems kind of fishy. Does the iPod touch also display such warning?
RTFM; I think you'll see that it does, one way or another.
For that matter, how about reading the manual on your ancient Walkman; it says the same thing...
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 04:13 AM
ReeceTarbert said:
Dan... Dan... Dan...
The document might not be new, but the Last Modified date reads June 25, 2009 and let's face it, the reported operating temperatures are a bit on the lousy side: there are quite a few places around the world (including the U.S.A.) were you can easily exceed them!
The document might not be new, but the Last Modified date reads June 25, 2009 and let's face it, the reported operating temperatures are a bit on the lousy side: there are quite a few places around the world (including the U.S.A.) were you can easily exceed them!
True enough, but then...
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And what about the suggestions?
Don't use the GPS in car on a hot day.* But of course! Why on earth should I want to use GPS in a car?
Don't use the GPS in car on a hot day.* But of course! Why on earth should I want to use GPS in a car?
How about reading the manual to your TomTom/Magellan/whatever, how much you wanna bet it says essentially the same thing?
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If the phone gets too hot, turn it off.* Well, I'm sure that would work wonders for the battery life, but what am I supposed to use in the meantime?
What did you use before you had a cell phone? Are you so dependant on a cell phone that you just can't go without it for a while? Whatever did you do before cell phones became available?
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In all fairness I'm suprised that the article doesn't suggest I'd better bring with me a second phone for all these (not too far fetched) operating scenarios! :^0
Well, if you really want to, I'm sure Apple wouldn't mind.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 05:32 AM
> > And what about the suggestions?
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> Don't use the GPS in car on a hot day.* But of course! Why on earth should I want to use GPS in a car?
How about reading the manual to your TomTom/Magellan/whatever, how much you wanna bet it says essentially the same thing?
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I hope you didn't have much more than a beer in mind! ;)
* iPhone 3G and 3G: S 0 and 35 C (32 to 95 F)
* TomTome Go 930: - 10 C (14 F) to + 55 C (131 F)
But of course you can check the documentation on the web for yourself if you don't trust me...
As for the rest: no, I'm not especially relying on a mobile phone, but this is not the point. As I see it, this is a typical case of form versus function: the technology is great and the design is cool, but the designers probably got the upper hand here and the result is a device with a very narrow operating envelope.
RT.
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> Don't use the GPS in car on a hot day.* But of course! Why on earth should I want to use GPS in a car?
How about reading the manual to your TomTom/Magellan/whatever, how much you wanna bet it says essentially the same thing?
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I hope you didn't have much more than a beer in mind! ;)
* iPhone 3G and 3G: S 0 and 35 C (32 to 95 F)
* TomTome Go 930: - 10 C (14 F) to + 55 C (131 F)
But of course you can check the documentation on the web for yourself if you don't trust me...
As for the rest: no, I'm not especially relying on a mobile phone, but this is not the point. As I see it, this is a typical case of form versus function: the technology is great and the design is cool, but the designers probably got the upper hand here and the result is a device with a very narrow operating envelope.
RT.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 05:53 AM
The iPhone's envelope isn't particularly narrow and the TomTom operates in a very different environment.
The iPhone spends most of its time in your pocket while a TomTom spends most of its time on your dashboard, where it may be exposed to northern winters and southwestern summers.
The iPhone spends most of its time in your pocket while a TomTom spends most of its time on your dashboard, where it may be exposed to northern winters and southwestern summers.
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Posted 04 July 2009 - 09:55 AM
TomTom and iPhone are not in the same category of hardware and you can not simply compare their operational temperature or their operating condition at all !!!
As anyone knows iPhone and most of the so called smart phones are kind of shrinked down portable computers these days, carring inside lots of components shared with their larger non pocket sized siblings !
A TomTom GPS simply doesn't have GigaBytes of memory, has no kind of GPU as many handheld devices do and finally their main processors are just doing some sort of lite processes, lite graphics, some text to speech and sometimes a little bit of non considerable xtra software, so there's no heavy processing and no heating !!!!
32 Gigs of memory, 2 processors and the battery make enough heat to make the plastic casis an unreliable protection against it and I'm amazed how they managed to keep the temperature reasonlbly low and safe enough to be handeld in the kids hands !!!
Remmeber that its a pocket device and all of this heat building elements are smahsed to each other and help others to heat up, rather than cooling down !!!
As anyone knows iPhone and most of the so called smart phones are kind of shrinked down portable computers these days, carring inside lots of components shared with their larger non pocket sized siblings !
A TomTom GPS simply doesn't have GigaBytes of memory, has no kind of GPU as many handheld devices do and finally their main processors are just doing some sort of lite processes, lite graphics, some text to speech and sometimes a little bit of non considerable xtra software, so there's no heavy processing and no heating !!!!
32 Gigs of memory, 2 processors and the battery make enough heat to make the plastic casis an unreliable protection against it and I'm amazed how they managed to keep the temperature reasonlbly low and safe enough to be handeld in the kids hands !!!
Remmeber that its a pocket device and all of this heat building elements are smahsed to each other and help others to heat up, rather than cooling down !!!
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Posted 04 July 2009 - 12:33 PM
QuazarM said:
TomTom and iPhone are not in the same category of hardware and you can not simply compare their operational temperature or their operating condition at all!
I wasn't the one suggesting that traditional navigators and the iPhone have pretty much the same operating envelope (and they don't), but I'll bite anyway. ]:)
You might recall that durig the last WWDC (at 1:21:12 in the keynote) TomTom's Peter-Frans Pauwels spoke at length about their turn by turn application for the iPhone and... the TomTom Car Kit! Listen for yourself if you wish, but he didn't say you better use it only in Spring and Autumn (or on a very overcast day) and as I see it, if they sell it and Apple let them do that, the least I can expect is to install it in my car and use it as a bona fide navigator -- unless I'm expected to use the application (and maybe the compass too) while the iPhone is stored in my pocket.
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A TomTom GPS simply doesn't have GigaBytes of memory, has no kind of GPU as many handheld devices do and finally their main processors are just doing some sort of lite processes, lite graphics, some text to speech and sometimes a little bit of non considerable xtra software, so there's no heavy processing and no heating !!!!
But of course! Everyone knows these devices are powered by tiny little imps! Just make sure they don't run out of paint (cyan runs out pretty quickly, I'm told) and maybe (just maybe) keep something around to ease the sore throat they must get after shouting directions all the time! ;)
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Remmeber that its a pocket device and all of this heat building elements are smahsed to each other and help others to heat up, rather than cooling down !
Sorry, but I can't see why this should be my problem. As I said, it's clearly a case of form versus function or, to put in a different way, a case of bad engineering forced by bad design decisions. I'll concede that the reports are few enough to suggest that, possibly, some models are more prone to overheating than others, but even the mythical "one in a million" scenario should not be accepted as a justification. I mean, would you be as forgiving if you were the one stuck with an overheating iPhone?
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