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Kennethfcooper 
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 01:35 PM
"The big question right now is whether the Pre can do well enough to keep Palm afloat in the meantime."
You are correct. After it does this, then we can talk about whether it is an iPhone killer or not.
You are correct. After it does this, then we can talk about whether it is an iPhone killer or not.
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 01:58 PM
Sorry Dan, your point on the power button to wake the device couldn't be more off-base. You say you "need to use (it) to wake the device from sleep " but you don't. Press ANY key on the keyboard and the device wakes. When closed, the power button is easy to get at and wake the device. When open, you're correct that it's hard to get at, but you don't need to get at it: since the keyboard is exposed in this position, you have 35 different "power keys" to wake the device. What you see as poor design is actually a pretty elegant design to me. However, I would like to see the main hardware button be enabled to wake the device as well.
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 02:08 PM
With al of my friends & family using mainly Verizon & a couple using Sprint this coverage is very important to me. Sprint has the Pre now & Verizon will have it come Jan of 2010.
A test of how good the iPhone will be on Verizon, if it actually makes it there, will be how man of the Palm Pre's features Virizon will not let operate. Just remember that Verizon is the company that only allow features to be usuable with extra fees for each thing. The better the Palm Pre can do on Verizon, the better it will be for those that are waiting for Verizon to have the iPhone to adopt a smartphone.
A test of how good the iPhone will be on Verizon, if it actually makes it there, will be how man of the Palm Pre's features Virizon will not let operate. Just remember that Verizon is the company that only allow features to be usuable with extra fees for each thing. The better the Palm Pre can do on Verizon, the better it will be for those that are waiting for Verizon to have the iPhone to adopt a smartphone.
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 02:22 PM
"...I don't think you were fair on the pre either"
The review was quite good and quite in depth. What do you mean by "...were fair on the pre either..."?
The article sang the Pre praises where the author felt it measured up and informed the reader of it's shortcomings and peculiarities. Overall from the review it sounds like the Palm Pre is a good smartphone, with some shortcomings, with an even better operating system (webOS). Sounds like Palm did some excellent work on the OS, but the hardware and user interface could be improved. No device is perfect, but I plan to check out the Pre in large measure because of this article.
The review was quite good and quite in depth. What do you mean by "...were fair on the pre either..."?
The article sang the Pre praises where the author felt it measured up and informed the reader of it's shortcomings and peculiarities. Overall from the review it sounds like the Palm Pre is a good smartphone, with some shortcomings, with an even better operating system (webOS). Sounds like Palm did some excellent work on the OS, but the hardware and user interface could be improved. No device is perfect, but I plan to check out the Pre in large measure because of this article.
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 02:59 PM
No mention of the 50,000+ apps that are available for the iPhone via Apple's App Store vs. the 30 or so for the Pre? This is a significant difference between the two and currently gives the iPhone much more functionality in addition to being a phone, music player, and internet browser.
Will the Pre ever have that many apps available? Can anyone say when and with a certainty?
Will the Pre ever have that many apps available? Can anyone say when and with a certainty?
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 03:04 PM
Hello Dan,
The dates in Palm's history were a little off.
You wrote "In the early to mid ’90s, http://... Palm was at the top of its game, http://.... Into the late part of that decade, Palm [sold] the Treo line".
However, the first Palm (PalmPilot 1000) was released in 1996—and the first Treo phone was released in 2002 by Handspring, while the first Treo under the Palm brand was released in 2003. Palm's heyday wasn't that long ago after all!
The dates in Palm's history were a little off.
You wrote "In the early to mid ’90s, http://... Palm was at the top of its game, http://.... Into the late part of that decade, Palm [sold] the Treo line".
However, the first Palm (PalmPilot 1000) was released in 1996—and the first Treo phone was released in 2002 by Handspring, while the first Treo under the Palm brand was released in 2003. Palm's heyday wasn't that long ago after all!
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 03:54 PM
I agree that a strong showing by the Pre would probably be good for iPhone users (like me) by keeping things competitive. I'm not sure if I like their chances in the long run or not. Back in 2003 they obtained an amazing product, for it's time, from Handspring with the Treo. But after the 650 they pretty much stagnated and fell farther and farther behind. They don't have a good smart phone track record. Doesn't matter how good it is out of the gate if it doesn't keep improving.
And this gamble with the iTunes connection just seems . . . really dicey. Do they inform their customers that this seamless iTunes link could go belly-up with any Apple update? Even if Apple makes no intentional changes, they sure aren't going to worry if some programming change cuts off the Pre, and then the users will be scrambling to roll back to older versions of iTunes until Palm can reverse engineer another hack. I'm just not sold that playing the Remora, attached to iTunes' back is a good strategy, long term.
And this gamble with the iTunes connection just seems . . . really dicey. Do they inform their customers that this seamless iTunes link could go belly-up with any Apple update? Even if Apple makes no intentional changes, they sure aren't going to worry if some programming change cuts off the Pre, and then the users will be scrambling to roll back to older versions of iTunes until Palm can reverse engineer another hack. I'm just not sold that playing the Remora, attached to iTunes' back is a good strategy, long term.
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 05:08 PM
Dan, very good review. I always assumed before the Pre hit the streets that it would hold up respectably to the iPhone, and it seems it does. Considering this is the first WebOS phone out, I think Palm did a pretty good job. Given that Jon Rubenstein is on the team that worked on this, it doesn't completely surprise me.
However, one thing that struck me when reading this review was there was no mention of how it operates as a phone! It seems in the quest for the best smartphone, we've forgotten what the core function of these devices is supposed to be. Since the iPhone is not exactly a stellar call making device, if the Pre is a great phone, it could be a plus on their side. Or maybe not?
However, one thing that struck me when reading this review was there was no mention of how it operates as a phone! It seems in the quest for the best smartphone, we've forgotten what the core function of these devices is supposed to be. Since the iPhone is not exactly a stellar call making device, if the Pre is a great phone, it could be a plus on their side. Or maybe not?
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 06:29 PM
Don't underestimate the negative impact of shoddy hardware. The fact that the thing feels like cheap crap that's difficult to use is going to be a big downward pull on the WebOS.
It's also interesting to see that Apple continues to be proven right: Multitasking slows down your phone and kills its battery.
With the launch times offered by solid state hard drives (which is what's in the iPhone), and the addition of copy/paste and push notification, the need for multi-tasking on a mobile device is seriously overblown.
What, precisely do you need multitasking for? To get email when you have something else running? iPhone does that. To play music in the background while doing something else? iPhone does that, too. To get a text or instant message while surfing the web? Got it.
Seriously, with launch times of a few seconds, and programs saving their state when shutting down on the iPhone, what, precisely is the killer need for multiple apps running concurrently that the iPhone currently doesn't address.
I think this is a selling point like FM tuners was. A feature that the geeks think everyone wants because they want it.
It's also interesting to see that Apple continues to be proven right: Multitasking slows down your phone and kills its battery.
With the launch times offered by solid state hard drives (which is what's in the iPhone), and the addition of copy/paste and push notification, the need for multi-tasking on a mobile device is seriously overblown.
What, precisely do you need multitasking for? To get email when you have something else running? iPhone does that. To play music in the background while doing something else? iPhone does that, too. To get a text or instant message while surfing the web? Got it.
Seriously, with launch times of a few seconds, and programs saving their state when shutting down on the iPhone, what, precisely is the killer need for multiple apps running concurrently that the iPhone currently doesn't address.
I think this is a selling point like FM tuners was. A feature that the geeks think everyone wants because they want it.
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 06:38 PM
The review is good for the points it covers.
Still it's a bit troubling that for an article that mentions the iPhone so often, it covers the advantages of the Pre over the iPhone in detail like third party multi tasking but doesn't seem to mention the advantages of the iPhone like the 50,000 apps, easy video recording, tap on focus camera, google maps that orient with magnetometer, larger drive for the iPhone etc.
Since the article concludes with buying advice section comparing the Pre and the iPhone and has a sentence that says " by creating a product that's even comparable to the iPhone, Palm has succeeded" not mentioning the iPhone advantages like the huge advantage in apps for example (50,000 things the iPhone can do that the Pre can't!) is somewhat misleading.
Still it's a bit troubling that for an article that mentions the iPhone so often, it covers the advantages of the Pre over the iPhone in detail like third party multi tasking but doesn't seem to mention the advantages of the iPhone like the 50,000 apps, easy video recording, tap on focus camera, google maps that orient with magnetometer, larger drive for the iPhone etc.
Since the article concludes with buying advice section comparing the Pre and the iPhone and has a sentence that says " by creating a product that's even comparable to the iPhone, Palm has succeeded" not mentioning the iPhone advantages like the huge advantage in apps for example (50,000 things the iPhone can do that the Pre can't!) is somewhat misleading.
