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Posted 19 February 2010 - 06:46 AM
The biggest hindrance to that being useful for me is that our IT department, in their extreme fear of anything on the Internet, block anything they possibly can though the Firewall. If they could keep us off the WWW completely, they'd do it rather than figure out a way to keep us safe and let us do our jobs.
Eric
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. - Martin Luther King, Jr.
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 07:56 AM
One thing that Rob didn't mention in the video is that the 1Password data file is actually a document package. Rob's 1Password.agilekeychain file showed the green check mark badge, but if you're synching it down to a new Mac for the first time, it will have a blue synching badge until it is finished synching. Be sure to wait for the blue to go green before double-clicking on the other Mac.
Also, while you can rename 1Password.agilekeychain to anything you like with that extension, the Dropbox folks have gone the extra mile to put in special support for the 1Password.agilekeychain filename to allow better support for 1PasswordAnywhere. So, that's another bonus of using Dropbox with 1Password.
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Also, while you can rename 1Password.agilekeychain to anything you like with that extension, the Dropbox folks have gone the extra mile to put in special support for the 1Password.agilekeychain filename to allow better support for 1PasswordAnywhere. So, that's another bonus of using Dropbox with 1Password.
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This post has been edited by jxpx777: 19 February 2010 - 08:06 AM
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 08:02 AM
fribhey, on 19 February 2010 - 07:54 AM, said:
while this seems like a cool idea i still have security concerns about storing a file containing ALL of my login/pass information for all my websites on a remote server.
You're absolutely right to be concerned about this! There are security measures in place of course: 1Password always stores your encrypted data on disk encrypted. It is never written out to disk in plaintext. Dropbox uses SSL to secure your data on its journey from your computer to their servers and then stores the data on their servers using AES-256 encryption. (One thing I would like to see is the ability to specify the encryption key used to encrypt the data. Right now, it's the same key for all accounts.) All that being said, you should not use it if you're not 100% comfortable. Discerning users like Rob and the whole Agile team use Dropbox, but there are other options as well, so choose an option that you're comfortable with.
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This post has been edited by jxpx777: 19 February 2010 - 08:06 AM
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 08:22 AM
I can sometimes be critical of the journalistic intent behind some of Macworld's stories, and their judgement of what is newsworthy (or beneficial to users) and what is simply PR. However I want to thank MacWorld for introducing me to 1Password a few months ago. I took a chance and started using it despite some fears about privacy and security, and I have to say, it has made my web experience much more efficient and less frustrating. No more hidden lists of passwords in binders, no more concerns about how secure a password is, etc. 1Password is an outstanding product and I hope you'll give the same kind of non-PR, concrete attention to other types of products as you have done with 1P... giving demos, talking about why it's useful and not just specs and marketing speak.
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 08:37 AM
I meant to mention the security aspect in the video, sorry for the oversight. (Can you tell I work with only an outline, and not a full script?).
Personally, I'm OK with the fact that the data goes to the internet, given it's encrypted on my disk, secured during transit, and stored encrypted on the server.
If you're not comfortable, of course, there are other solutions, as linked above by Agile. To me, though, I like knowing that I have an actual backup of that key file, too, in the event of a catastrophe at home, such as a fire destroying all my machines.
If that were to happen, as soon as I had a new Mac, I'd install 1Password and Dropbox, and be back in business.
-rob.
Personally, I'm OK with the fact that the data goes to the internet, given it's encrypted on my disk, secured during transit, and stored encrypted on the server.
If you're not comfortable, of course, there are other solutions, as linked above by Agile. To me, though, I like knowing that I have an actual backup of that key file, too, in the event of a catastrophe at home, such as a fire destroying all my machines.
If that were to happen, as soon as I had a new Mac, I'd install 1Password and Dropbox, and be back in business.
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 08:54 AM
I have been using (and loving) the Dropbox/1Password synchronization for a while now... and I'm also very glad that Rob took the time to do a demo to demonstrate the concept.
Products like 1P encourage regular people (not just the Über-geeky) to use strong passwords. This has a real-world benefit that, to my mind, more than offsets any additional risk from sending encrypted data via https into the cloud.
Products like 1P encourage regular people (not just the Über-geeky) to use strong passwords. This has a real-world benefit that, to my mind, more than offsets any additional risk from sending encrypted data via https into the cloud.
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 09:17 AM
This is a killer tip that I have used for over a year of two fabulous programs. I have completely secure form filling and passwords and serial numbers on all of my machines in an instant.
Incomparable to any other solution available, I believe. 1Password and the companion iPhone app 1Password Touch Pro is some of the best money spent in decades!
Incomparable to any other solution available, I believe. 1Password and the companion iPhone app 1Password Touch Pro is some of the best money spent in decades!
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 09:25 AM
jxpx777, on 19 February 2010 - 08:02 AM, said:
fribhey, on 19 February 2010 - 07:54 AM, said:
while this seems like a cool idea i still have security concerns about storing a file containing ALL of my login/pass information for all my websites on a remote server.
You're absolutely right to be concerned about this! There are security measures in place of course: 1Password always stores your encrypted data on disk encrypted. It is never written out to disk in plaintext. Dropbox uses SSL to secure your data on its journey from your computer to their servers and then stores the data on their servers using AES-256 encryption. (One thing I would like to see is the ability to specify the encryption key used to encrypt the data. Right now, it's the same key for all accounts.) All that being said, you should not use it if you're not 100% comfortable. Discerning users like Rob and the whole Agile team use Dropbox, but there are other options as well, so choose an option that you're comfortable with.
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Jamie,
is there a reason why you don't take advantage of the sync option for mobileme users? Panic does a great job with this, when i open up the sync prefs i see my transmit favorites in the list and can keep my favorites synced between my transmit at home and at work.
why don't you add that feature? that would skip out on having to set up a dropbox account and use what i already have been using to sync between multiple computers.
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 09:34 AM
I wish the Dropbox folks would offer a storage upgrade with around 10GB in addition to the current 50GB/$10 and 100GB/$20 per month plans. I don't need 50GB of cloud storage but it sure would be handy to have more than the 2 free GB I'm using now if I could get it for $15 - $18/year or so.
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 09:51 AM
Felix001, on 19 February 2010 - 09:34 AM, said:
I wish the Dropbox folks would offer a storage upgrade with around 10GB in addition to the current 50GB/$10 and 100GB/$20 per month plans. I don't need 50GB of cloud storage but it sure would be handy to have more than the 2 free GB I'm using now if I could get it for $15 - $18/year or so.
Good luck with that pricing structure. You're basically asking them to give away space for free. 10gb for $1-$1.50/month?!?!? While I don't quite need 50gb either, I see $10/month to be very reasonable for the amount of space. 10-15gb for $5/month would be an awesome option though.
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 10:48 AM
fribhey, on 19 February 2010 - 09:25 AM, said:
Jamie,
is there a reason why you don't take advantage of the sync option for mobileme users? Panic does a great job with this, when i open up the sync prefs i see my transmit favorites in the list and can keep my favorites synced between my transmit at home and at work.
why don't you add that feature? that would skip out on having to set up a dropbox account and use what i already have been using to sync between multiple computers.
is there a reason why you don't take advantage of the sync option for mobileme users? Panic does a great job with this, when i open up the sync prefs i see my transmit favorites in the list and can keep my favorites synced between my transmit at home and at work.
why don't you add that feature? that would skip out on having to set up a dropbox account and use what i already have been using to sync between multiple computers.
I'm not Jamie, but have you tried syncing anything with MobileMe of bigger size than Transmit's favorites (tiny)? It's pure pain. 1Password used to sync through the Keychain, but it was always painful and inconsistent. Likewise, up until recently Yojimbo syncing was a total disaster for me.
It's so much easier and reliable to use Dropbox.
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 12:13 PM
fribhey, on 19 February 2010 - 09:25 AM, said:
Jamie,
is there a reason why you don't take advantage of the sync option for mobileme users? Panic does a great job with this, when i open up the sync prefs i see my transmit favorites in the list and can keep my favorites synced between my transmit at home and at work.
why don't you add that feature? that would skip out on having to set up a dropbox account and use what i already have been using to sync between multiple computers.
is there a reason why you don't take advantage of the sync option for mobileme users? Panic does a great job with this, when i open up the sync prefs i see my transmit favorites in the list and can keep my favorites synced between my transmit at home and at work.
why don't you add that feature? that would skip out on having to set up a dropbox account and use what i already have been using to sync between multiple computers.
We are working on enhanced MobileMe sync, but it will use the WebDAV protocol rather than the SyncServices API. The main reason behind this is so that 1Password on iPhone OS can play along too. This is the approach the Omni folks have taken with OmniFocus and it has worked out great.
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