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Famous Apple chip studied by digital archaeologists

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 10:06 AM

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#2 User is offline   WarrenS 

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  Posted 10 January 2011 - 10:50 AM

A web writing spider might say "Some Chip"
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  Posted 10 January 2011 - 11:13 AM

Some radiant chip, even.
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  Posted 10 January 2011 - 11:21 AM

The notion of reconstructing a chip's operation via dissection is interesting. However, this article is written in a way that suggests that there is no manufacturing documentation for the original 6502 or any of its licensed variants:

"the only way to glean in-depth understanding of the chip is to strip away the polysilicon layers of the chip using acid, photographing the results in high-resolution."
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  Posted 10 January 2011 - 11:22 AM

Various versions of this chip were also used in the Atari 400/800/XL computers, Commodore 64 and Vic-20, and others.
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  Posted 10 January 2011 - 11:33 AM

Yeah... it's not *that* old. Why don't we just ask some of those people that were involved?
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  Posted 10 January 2011 - 11:46 AM

"...and is not compatible with Internet Explorer."
There is a joke there, somewhere, I know it.
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  Posted 10 January 2011 - 12:15 PM

The same chip was in the Atari 2600 and the Nintendo NES? There are worlds of difference in power between those two systems.
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#9 User is offline   snej 

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 12:53 PM

View PostAllanReilly, on 10 January 2011 - 12:15 PM, said:

The same chip was in the Atari 2600 and the Nintendo NES? There are worlds of difference in power between those two systems.


It's true. The NES had much more powerful graphics hardware, and a lot more RAM, but the CPU was the same (although maybe at a higher clock speed.)

Plenty of old-school arcade systems used 6502s too.
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Posted 10 January 2011 - 01:46 PM

This reminded me of the Big Mess o' Wires project: a copper-wire CPU based on the architectures of that era.

Scroll down for some cool (if you like a big mess o' colorful wires) pics.
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  Posted 10 January 2011 - 01:52 PM

My Dad worked on this chip when he was at MOS. Unfortunately, he passed away about 8 years ago. Maybe there just aren't any original engineers alive, or known where they are.
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  Posted 10 January 2011 - 02:09 PM

I think there are plenty of people around that explain how that chip works.
Maybe in a couple of years we can get some archaeologists to explain where the Internet came from.
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  Posted 10 January 2011 - 02:16 PM

@synsoniq--

You must be proud of the contribution your father and his fellow engineers made to computing, Synsoniq.

Your post really illustrates the reality of this situation--even though these early chips just aren't that old, 30-35 years is a LONG time in terms of fragile human life, and top engineers from earlier generations do leave us. So, while there may be people who still understand these early designs well enough to assist in their documentation _now_, in 5-10 years, there will be fewer...
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  Posted 10 January 2011 - 03:26 PM

"is not compatible with Internet Explorer."

Seems somehow fitting to me.............
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