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iCloud: What you need to know

#1 User is offline   Macworld 

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 05:46 AM

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  Posted 08 June 2011 - 06:18 AM

While the idea sounds great and all, Apple also becomes a huge repository for commercial information...knowing what music you like, having your various files...I mean what a gold mine for information on how to market to individuals. I personally do not like the online application model for the very reason that everything you do can be tracked, analyzed, sold, etc. Folks used to think that Bill Gates was evil...I think we have some serious new contenders...
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  Posted 08 June 2011 - 06:23 AM

So in the latest iTunes and iOS App stores, in the "purchased" section, there is an option to show items"not in My Library". For Apps this will show every app a person has ever downloaded to their account on every iOS device they own, including free Apps that you may have downloaded, tried out for five minutes, and then deleted.

There is a discussion thread on the Apple forums where people (including myself) are asking for a way to permanently delete Apps out of the list that is really not wanted by the account holder, much like a Kindle user can do out of their Archived book list. Until Apple makes that "feature" available to the App list stored in "the Cloud", it may be maddening having to scroll through pages of Apps to find that one that a person really wants to download to their iOS device.

Likewise, if someone downloads "adult" Apps to their iPhone and their kids iPod Touch is linked to the same Apple account, all of those Apps are then visible to the kids and downloadable via "the Cloud".

A fairly serious omission I hope Apple fixes before this beta period is over.
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Posted 08 June 2011 - 06:30 AM

 KAdamsInCo, on 08 June 2011 - 06:23 AM, said:

So in the latest iTunes and iOS App stores, in the "purchased" section, there is an option to show items"not in My Library". For Apps this will show every app a person has ever downloaded to their account on every iOS device they own, including free Apps that you may have downloaded, tried out for five minutes, and then deleted.

There is a discussion thread on the Apple forums where people (including myself) are asking for a way to permanently delete Apps out of the list that is really not wanted by the account holder, much like a Kindle user can do out of their Archived book list. Until Apple makes that "feature" available to the App list stored in "the Cloud", it may be maddening having to scroll through pages of Apps to find that one that a person really wants to download to their iOS device.

Likewise, if someone downloads "adult" Apps to their iPhone and their kids iPod Touch is linked to the same Apple account, all of those Apps are then visible to the kids and downloadable via "the Cloud".

A fairly serious omission I hope Apple fixes before this beta period is over.


yes, what about encryption? it's deal breaker
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  Posted 08 June 2011 - 06:32 AM

I don't think this is evil... its not the service, its that activity.. Apple hasn't, yet, gone evil on us with the activity... IMHO.... Microsoft was invented by poker players... with that type of mentality... so... that's where the "wonder if their... eeeeeeevil" type of suspicion comes in. Sometimes, we just don't know. Certain rants don't help either. Otherwise, we'd all get along pretty nicely, iThink. ;-) this was ALWAYS the next step... im waiting for the word "DATABANK" to be used. I feel like we don't want to sound like a scifi movie even though.. well, that's where a good amount of the ideas probably originate. this just, like all things, has to be handled... with care.
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#6 User is offline   ehren 

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 06:48 AM

What of my mac.com email address that I've held on to back since back in the day?

 KAdamsInCo, on 08 June 2011 - 06:23 AM, said:


Likewise, if someone downloads "adult" Apps to their iPhone and their kids iPod Touch is linked to the same Apple account, all of those Apps are then visible to the kids and downloadable via "the Cloud".

A fairly serious omission I hope Apple fixes before this beta period is over.

I believe that all iPhones, iPods touch and iPads have on-device content restrictions that can be used.
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#7 User is offline   PetitPaul 

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  Posted 08 June 2011 - 06:51 AM

I don't use iPhoto but Aperture. Will the pix taken on my iPhone be synced with Aperture, rather than iPhoto? Can I have the choice?
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#8 User is offline   mickeyMOUSElmfao 

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 07:20 AM

 ehren, on 08 June 2011 - 06:48 AM, said:

What of my mac.com email address that I've held on to back since back in the day?


Apple stated somewhere in their keynote that you can keep your mac.com addresses.
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  Posted 08 June 2011 - 07:22 AM

I currently use FileChute with iDisc as a method of quickly sending image files as url in email, Skype chat, and other communications. I have about 7GB of image files and galleries currently on iDisc. Will I still have access to this type of storage, even if I reduce what storage I am using to less than the 5GB proposed?
Since I am currently paying $99 for 20GB, it seems the prorated $25 is just reducing the available space I once had, and making the concept realistic for those who were reluctant to fork over $99.
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  Posted 08 June 2011 - 07:32 AM

In a selfish comment. I have been using the various incarnations of MobileMe for 11 years, and now they are telling me that what I have been paying for is free. On top of that the amount of disk space I have is being reduced from 20 to 5 gigabytes. Does Apple plan on doing anything for people who have used their paid services for so long?
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  Posted 08 June 2011 - 07:42 AM

"iCloud requires an Internet connection to do its job, which explains why it’s limited to iOS devices—which can connect to Wi-Fi networks and, in most cases, 3G data networks as well. We can’t see how an iPod nano or classic could ever fit into the iCloud ecosystem."

Presumably, all the information in the cloud will sync to iTunes and from there sync to the non-iOS iPod. If it doesn't, that's a major failure on Apple's part. but this also requires that contacts and calendars you sync to a non-iOS iPod get cached on your computer in the same places they are now so that iTunes can access them.

The other question related to iTunes syncing is what about non cloud content (ie, movies, TV shows, podcasts) that you want synced to your iOS device. Presumably you would still synce via iTunes, but can that be done wireless, too, when I'm on my home wi-fi network? Or do I still need to plug in the USB cable to get that content? Especially the podcoasts since they change daily in my iTunes library. How will the fact that your iPhone is being synced to two sources (the cloud and iTunes) going to be reconciled?

But the major failure I see here is the lack of support for Snow Leopard. Vista is about the same age as Snow Loepard, and it's supported by iCloud. An insult to loyal Mac users who can't, for various reasons, upgrade to Lion.
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Posted 08 June 2011 - 07:46 AM

Has anyone heard when a beta version for ICloud for Itunes will be available in Canada? I am hearing it's only available in the US right now.
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  Posted 08 June 2011 - 08:11 AM

I recently started using iWeb hosting on MobileMe's iDisk. I don't need a ton of space for it, so I'm hoping I can still keep using it. The standard 5GB would still be more than enough for my needs. It's not a huge concern for me, but it would be nice if I can keep using it. If not, I guess I'll be looking into GoDaddy.
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  Posted 08 June 2011 - 08:23 AM

What if I just want to be a trogladite and continue using iTunes to sync my IOS devices to, will I be able to do that? Will Apple continue to update iTunes for syncing all elements on my iPad?I have clients that have NO Internet access save when they go to a free Wifi location like McDnalds. What happens to them if they CAN'T be in the cloud?

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