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Installing Lion: What you need to know

#15 User is offline   leicaman 

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  Posted 21 July 2011 - 08:18 AM

Here's a critical piece of information too that applies to a very few number of people.

If you have moved the installer out of your Applications folder, say to your desktop, the installer will fail if your user files are on a separate hard drive than your boot drive. (I did that because my SSD boot drive is too small for all my user files.) When it reboots after the first 3 minute file copying process, it can't find the installer file to continue if it's on a different drive than the one booting.

On the other hand, with an SSD drive, I did a complete upgrade to Lion from a clean install of Snow Leopard in 12.5 minutes. From double-clicking the installer to the desktop finishing loading at the end of the process. Holy smokes, SSDs are hot! (Early 2008 Mac Pro dual 2.8GZ, 12 gigs RAM, OCZ Vertex 2 drive.)

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 08:25 AM

View Postplazamac, on 21 July 2011 - 06:30 AM, said:

From a CNN article here:
http://www.cnn.com/2....osx/index.html

it states near the end:
"Mac OS X Lion is available as a $29.99 upgrade for people with the latest version of the Snow Leopard operating system. It will be available at Apple Stores in August for $69.99."

I wonder if this is true about retail purchases or if they just got it wrong?


As usual, they got it wrong. All of them are upgrades, from Snow Leopard. The $69 version is a USB flash drive that will have the Lion installer on it. You can do it cheaper by buying your own flash drive (a good 8 gig one can be found at Dealmac dot com for $10 occasionally.) and using Disk Utility to format it to be bootable and then putting the image of the installer on it.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 08:42 AM

View PostEnlistednut09, on 20 July 2011 - 01:03 PM, said:

This may seem like a silly question, but I haven't seen any mention of it, if it is around I apologize. For those of us with Boot Camp partitions; if we install 10.7 will it erase the partition or will it give us an option to install over just the 10.6 partition?


It won't erase that partition, provided you created the Boot Camp partition using Boot Camp Assistant and you haven't further modified your drive's partition map afterwards.



View Postmike1052, on 20 July 2011 - 11:50 PM, said:

I'm running Snow Leopard ( all up to date), i've downloaded Lion, and it's ready to install, my question is this.
Can i leave everything on my Mac were they are, documents, photo's, music etc or do i need to save every thing to a external disc. i'm running time machine (of course)
And will i need to reinstall all my apps???


If you simply install over Snow Leopard, everything will be exactly where you left it. That said, as mentioned in the article, you should always have a tested backup before installing an OS update.



View PostLebensmude, on 21 July 2011 - 03:04 AM, said:

In previous versions of Mac OS X you were allowed to choose via a "Customize" dialog during the installation process which languages and printer drivers you wanted installed with the OS. Is this option no longer available in Lion, i.e. is it an "all or nothing" approach?


As noted in the article, you no longer get these options.



View Postplazamac, on 21 July 2011 - 06:30 AM, said:

From a CNN article here:
http://www.cnn.com/2....osx/index.html
it states near the end:
"Mac OS X Lion is available as a $29.99 upgrade for people with the latest version of the Snow Leopard operating system. It will be available at Apple Stores in August for $69.99."
I wonder if this is true about retail purchases or if they just got it wrong?


As noted in our article, Apple will sell, starting sometime in August, a $69 bootable Lion-installer USB stick.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 03:56 PM

Is there a way to UNinstall Lion?
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 04:46 PM

View PostMacRock, on 21 July 2011 - 03:56 PM, said:

Is there a way to UNinstall Lion?



I saw this in another forum. Is this correct?

"I actually did this on the weekend. If you stick your Snow Leopard disks in you'll find that you can't actually use them to install over Lion. What you need to do is to turn the computer off and boot from the Snow Leopard disk (hold the option key). You'll now find that you can't simply install from the disk either (continue button is greyed out) but rather what you need to do is use Disk Utility to erase the drive that contains Lion and then you're good to go.

At least that was my experience this weekend."
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  Posted 22 July 2011 - 07:20 AM

I have already installed Lion X on my iMac and I didn't make a copy of the application onto a DVD before I installed it. Any Idea where I might find the file to burn it to a DVD. I am not able to locate the application file.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 09:21 AM

View Postpmbx, on 20 July 2011 - 09:33 AM, said:

What about Lion Server?

I hope Mac IT Guy explains how to upgrade Snow Leopard Server to Lion Server. I'm a bit confused because on one hand, the official Upgrade/Migration document says to use Mac App Store to search for and buy ONLY Mac OSX Lion. On the other hand, this page says to buy BOTH client and server. Or do they actually mean to buy Mac OS X Lion Server on the Mac App Store so it'll also buy the client automatically? And then do we use the Mac OS X Server installer? Apple's upgrade documentation is a little confusing!

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 10:16 AM

View PostMacRock, on 21 July 2011 - 04:46 PM, said:

I saw this in another forum. Is this correct?

"I actually did this on the weekend. If you stick your Snow Leopard disks in you'll find that you can't actually use them to install over Lion. What you need to do is to turn the computer off and boot from the Snow Leopard disk (hold the option key). You'll now find that you can't simply install from the disk either (continue button is greyed out) but rather what you need to do is use Disk Utility to erase the drive that contains Lion and then you're good to go.

At least that was my experience this weekend."


Yes, that's the only option for downgrading to an earlier version of Mac OS X.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 10:17 AM

View PostKarlD, on 22 July 2011 - 07:20 AM, said:

I have already installed Lion X on my iMac and I didn't make a copy of the application onto a DVD before I installed it. Any Idea where I might find the file to burn it to a DVD. I am not able to locate the application file.


The instructions are in the article; you should be able to force a re-download of the Lion installer from the Mac App Store using one of the following three tricks:

Option+click the Buy App button in the Mac App Store. If that doesn't work, switch to the Mac App Store's main page and then Option+click the Purchases button in the toolbar. If that doesn't work, quit the Mac App Store app and then hold down the Option key while launching the Mac App Store again. One of these three procedures should get rid of the "Installed" status for Lion and let you download it.
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Posted 23 July 2011 - 12:53 PM

Something I have not seen mentioned in any of these articles: After installing Lion, your Library folder (i.e., ~/Library) is rendered invisible. I thought the thing had been moved or something until invisibility occurred to me.

It's not in the Finder's Go menu unless you hold the option key when you click the menu. It can be made permanently visible again. See http://discussions.a...essage/15702152
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Posted 23 July 2011 - 03:49 PM

View Postreusserfarm, on 21 July 2011 - 06:22 AM, said:

I made sure all was updated before installation which went smoothly. Went into my mail which it updated and all looked great, loved the new features. Only draw back is, safari and mail are both now inop. It ways that I'm not hooked up to the internet, I do a diagnoses and it says all is up and running ?? I installed it on a new 27" imac, I love my mac just bumming all didn't go smoothly, no to figure out how to get back online ??


I'm on my second round of installing Lion. The first was a complete disaster, with one of the problems being that Lion kept telling me I wasn't connected to the internet. Mostly this occurred when using Help and clicking on a link that would normally transition from the locally installed Help data to the more detailed information that gets served from Apple.

This was one of the few problems that I was actually able to fix. To solve the problem:
  • Open Network Preferences
  • Create a new Location that will allow you to connect to the net.
  • Reboot
  • Open Network Preferences again and delete the locations that were created prior to installing Lion.
  • Verify that you can still connect to the net using the Location created above.
  • Reboot
  • If desired or required, reopen Network Preferences and recreate any Locations that you need/want.
  • You should now be free of the "not connected" smoke that Lion is blowing up your exhaust port.


Hope this solves your problem. If not, I'll try to revise the method. Basically, the idea is that you want to get rid of any Network Locations that were created before you installed Lion. The hitch is that you may need to do it in two stages so that you end up creating Locations when you have booted and connected to the net without any of the legacy Locations remaining on the system.
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  Posted 23 July 2011 - 11:40 PM

does the downloading of the update can be pause and continue... this is the problem if i have a slow internet connection and data capping from my ISP
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 02:31 PM

View Postjeffm23, on 23 July 2011 - 12:53 PM, said:

Something I have not seen mentioned in any of these articles: After installing Lion, your Library folder (i.e., ~/Library) is rendered invisible. I thought the thing had been moved or something until invisibility occurred to me.

It's not in the Finder's Go menu unless you hold the option key when you click the menu. It can be made permanently visible again. See http://discussions.a...essage/15702152


There are many, many ways to view your Library folder :)
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  Posted 29 July 2011 - 10:02 AM

I wanted to thank you for the info about how to re-download the Lion installer on a machine that already has Lion on it. Because of you, I will now be able to create a recovery jump drive.

Now if only I could add the Aperture, iLife, and iWork apps to that recovery drive as well...
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