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[donatello]

It appears they removed one of my favours... Bounce mail

[JonathanCohlmeyerdj1y]

I am slightly annoyed with the fact you can no longer see all the RSS feeds within a folder by clicking on the folder. Instead you have to visit each feed individually. This makes reading RSS a lot more inconvenient.

[JonathanCohlmeyerdj1y]

Actually I take that back. ... All you have to do is make new folders under the RSS and bring your feeds into the new folders ... The new mail made my folders into RSS items ...

[joeavargaspjj0]

I'm just simply happy about the full screen feature for Mail in addition to show/hide the mailboxes.

[bastion]

donatello, on 21 July 2011 - 07:14 AM, said:

It appears they removed one of my favours... Bounce mail

Bouncing mail on purpose never made as much sense as it seemed. Given modern spamming practices, bouncing usually punishes someone completely innocent and doesn't affect the spammer one bit.

[sequethin]

Same thing happened to me with regards to the RSS Jonathan, was going to post about that. Also RSS related - Feeds do not group into conversations very well. Luckily the conversation grouping is settable by "folder" or by feed, so I can sort my mail accounts by conversation, but the RSS feeds remember that I asked them to stay in flat chronological (I was actually impressed by that, I was expecting it to be all or none).

I've had to go back to classic view (which is thankfully an option) - I can't handle 3 pane mail - drives me crazy! Again - easy fix to go back, and I'm glad the new default isn't being forced on me.

I was confused by the conversation default of putting the most recent message on top, because my default sort is to have my most recent messages appear on the bottom of my list. Having it like that, yet having the most recent message in a convo appear at the top... that just made no sense to me. Again - this is a simple check box away in the mail preferences.

So far I am pleased but overall not amazed.

[rtye]

donatello, on 21 July 2011 - 07:14 AM, said:

It appears they removed one of my favours... Bounce mail

Heaven forbid, they did. Bring it back now. It's the one feature that I love showing people who don't use Mail.

[rtye]

bastion, on 21 July 2011 - 07:30 AM, said:

donatello, on 21 July 2011 - 07:14 AM, said:

It appears they removed one of my favours... Bounce mail

Bouncing mail on purpose never made as much sense as it seemed. Given modern spamming practices, bouncing usually punishes someone completely innocent and doesn't affect the spammer one bit.

I know it didn't work for spam most of the time. I used it mostly to keep individuals from pestering me with obnoxious messages that I don't want to receive.

[JMHammer]

Is there any way to FORCE messages into a thread or "conversation" view? For instance, let's say I get three "Hey, This Stuff Is On Sale!" messages from Staples over the course of one week. And I don't consider it spam. Is there any way to get these three messages to "stack" into a single thread/conversation?

[sequethin]

JMHammer, on 21 July 2011 - 07:50 AM, said:

Is there any way to FORCE messages into a thread or "conversation" view? For instance, let's say I get three "Hey, This Stuff Is On Sale!" messages from Staples over the course of one week. And I don't consider it spam. Is there any way to get these three messages to "stack" into a single thread/conversation?

Pretty sure you can't define the rules of a conversation, at least I can't see a way in the preferences. There might be other ways to group those messages though, smart folders, etc.

[sequethin]

Something I just noticed that is mildly annoying - it seems some conversations prefer to remain opened, or closed. For example in my work account I have a conversation with emails about a service ticket. That ticket was closed 2 hours ago. It's got about 20 messages in there. I collapse the conversation, click to my personal email account, and click back - and the conversation is opened again. Really strange! There's no rhyme or reason that I can see for this happening. This long conversation from this morning is one I'd really love to remain collapsed. I'm done with it and it's cluttering up my inbox view. That's what this whole conversation feature is supposed to help with isn't it?

While writing this, I paused to do some more testing. This seems to only happen if I have the most recent message in my inbox selected (which is not part of the conversation that I'm trying to keep closed). If I leave the most recent message selected, and close the conversation in question, then switch to another folder and back, the conversation goes back to the opposite state (closed, or open!) There's no way this is a feature!

If you'd like to try, here's what I'm doing:

Select the most recent mail in your box (in my case it's not part of any conversation)
Change the state of a conversation, try closing an open one, or opening a closed one.
Click to another account or folder, and back to the first account. Did that conversation revert?

Now, if you change the state of a conversation, then click some other email in the same inbox, then go back, you'll see it remembers the state.

If someone could verify this for me I'd appreciate it. It's really getting on my nerves now!

[jazzace]

For the full review, please specify whether or not you can use the 1-pane method (i.e. no lower or side pane for viewing message content, just a long list of messages where you can double-click a message to see its contents in a new window). Also, let us know how much information you can see in the list of messages when you are using Smart Mailboxes (assuming the feature still exists). I have rules that file my mail as it comes in and my functional "inbox" is a smart mailbox of my unread messages; currently, I have the list of messages display in which mailbox each message is stored.

The biggest problem I have with what I have seen of the new Mail app is the long (text) line lengths that this design generates, making messages harder to read, particularly in full screen mode. I am also a fan of Bounce for those companies that send me messages but are not bound by unsubscribe legislation (i.e. most countries outside of the U.S.).

[gsconsolvo]

It appears that the address book has been taken out of the "New message" window. If you want to put an address in the "To:" line you have to open address book from the Dock and drag and drop the addresses from there. If there is a better way, please let me know.