[JDW]

d00d, on 02 August 2011 - 04:57 PM, said:

You're taking Apple to task for breaking a third-party product in the interest of security. I'm saying that's unfair. And what if Agile eventually figures out a way to do what they used to without Apple changing Safari? Suddenly it's ok?

You labeled it more than simply "unfair" in previous posts, but I will accept "unfair" over "libel." To answer your question though, if Agile finds a workaround, that is great for those who use Agile software. And for others who have problems with Safari 5.1, Agile's workaround will not be of help to them. But if all the problems are truly solved for end users, then end users have nothing left but to rejoice. And that is all I have been saying. If the end user's experience improves, that is paramount. I do not feel, however, that "improved security alone" is somehow a ticket to paradise that should make us ignore problems we have with Safari 5.1.

d00d, on 02 August 2011 - 04:57 PM, said:

I consider posts that seem to lack proper understanding of what's going on worth correcting.

At least we agree on that, hence my own persistence on this topic.

As to your "correction" though, that remains our fundamental disagreement. Your stance is this: "folks, if you have trouble with Safari 5.1, you haven't a right to complain as it was all done in your best interests, in the name of security." Sounds to me like a line the TSA would have us accept. I for one do not accept it. But I suppose some will and others not.

d00d, on 02 August 2011 - 04:57 PM, said:

I simply debate the highlights because debating individual sentences, which it would seem would satisfy you, is exhausting.

According to your profile, you have submitted to this forum no less than 3 posts per day on average, every single day of the year, for the past 10 years and 4 months. That shows how much time you spend here. That is perhaps neither good nor bad, but it does show you keep your ear on the forum and perhaps get riled rather easily. You and I simply have a fundamental disagreement. That is all. And in the end, such will not bring 100% satisfaction to you or to me.

But as I stated in a previous post in this thread, Mac users are a diverse group. We gripe and complain at times. Such is normal, not libel. I think we can agree to disagree and move on. You are not my enemy. Indeed, I appreciate your thoughts. I simply don't share the same passion as you do for "security."

And now for a bit of light heartedness...

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple

[louisehr]

I can no longer see pdf's with the new safari 5.1. Have switched to Firefox.

[blecch]

I just noticed the sly ("wearer of pith helmets") endorsement for ad-blocking - well done, Nathan!

That being said, this "4 mice" review is way off target - as illustrated by Lex Friedman's recent article "Dropping Safari for Chrome."

[bastion]

blecch, on 11 October 2011 - 04:36 PM, said:

I just noticed the sly ("wearer of pith helmets") endorsement for ad-blocking - well done, Nathan!

That being said, this "4 mice" review is way off target - as illustrated by Lex Friedman's recent article "Dropping Safari for Chrome."

Because Lex's opinion and needs are inherently more valid than Nathan's?

[Lechman]

Safari has become completely unusable for me. I can't open more than three tabs before my entire Mac starts to slow down, and God forbid I leave these tabs open for any length of time as they tend to get progressively slower as time goes by, at which point I have to quit the entire browser to keep my Mac from seizing up. So I've moved to Chrome full time as it's stupid-fast, very stable and does what I need it to and I tell ya, I don't miss Safari one damned bit, which to me is actually sad as there was a time when Apple actually did make the best stuff around. But here's what puzzles me, how can Google write a better browser than Apple can for its own host OS? What does that say about Apple's attention to "the best user experience?"