why do I have to authenticate everything?
#1
Posted 20 September 2011 - 06:54 PM
Reukeboom
#2
Posted 21 September 2011 - 07:26 AM
Reukeboom, on 20 September 2011 - 06:54 PM, said:
If you're getting asked to authenticate every time you try to move a file on your system, there's something really wrong with permissions or your user rights.
If, on the other hand, you're getting asked to authenticate when you're move files from or to specific directories an alternative explanation is that Apple has decided that the need to modify the contents of those directories is such an edge case that it's worthwhile to make sure that the user knows what they're doing and is doing what they intend. For example, someone not terribly long ago voiced dissatisfaction here at being prompted to authenticate "every time" they moved something to the root of their hard drive. The proper answer in such a case is: "Why are you routinely moving things to the root of your hard drive? There's virtually no legitimate need to do that ever, let alone often enough to be annoyed at authentication."
#3
Posted 24 October 2011 - 08:00 PM
I know Lion is trying to protect me from myself but I’m hoping to find out how to turn some of this security off.
#4
Posted 01 January 2012 - 12:22 PM
bastion, on 21 September 2011 - 07:26 AM, said:
Reukeboom, on 20 September 2011 - 06:54 PM, said:
If you're getting asked to authenticate every time you try to move a file on your system, there's something really wrong with permissions or your user rights.
If, on the other hand, you're getting asked to authenticate when you're move files from or to specific directories an alternative explanation is that Apple has decided that the need to modify the contents of those directories is such an edge case that it's worthwhile to make sure that the user knows what they're doing and is doing what they intend. For example, someone not terribly long ago voiced dissatisfaction here at being prompted to authenticate "every time" they moved something to the root of their hard drive. The proper answer in such a case is: "Why are you routinely moving things to the root of your hard drive? There's virtually no legitimate need to do that ever, let alone often enough to be annoyed at authentication."
Bastion, you are a power user. Respect.
However, you are overlooking an apparent user need to move files around freely (without authentication). The OSX team has made a slight shift that does not necessarily match up with the non-power user mental model of how files are stored and organized. For example, in OS9 there was only one set place for a file (unless you had set up an alias). In OSX with root directories and such, files can be accessed from multiple places perhaps in an effort to create a more dynamic workflow. The learning curve is slightly steeper with OSX, yet it's a much more powerful OS now. That being said, there does not seem to be enough documentation or EFFECTIVE/CONTEXTUAL help on how to deal with the new way files are managed. OSX has been slowly evolving to be more...safe...or restrictive.
When a system gets in the way of the user (as is the case here), we should remind ourselves what Apple stands for at its core; simplicity (in the highest sense), user-centered design, and beauty.
-Paul
#5
Posted 02 January 2012 - 02:54 PM
pnaddaff, on 01 January 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:
bastion, on 21 September 2011 - 07:26 AM, said:
Reukeboom, on 20 September 2011 - 06:54 PM, said:
If you're getting asked to authenticate every time you try to move a file on your system, there's something really wrong with permissions or your user rights.
If, on the other hand, you're getting asked to authenticate when you're move files from or to specific directories an alternative explanation is that Apple has decided that the need to modify the contents of those directories is such an edge case that it's worthwhile to make sure that the user knows what they're doing and is doing what they intend. For example, someone not terribly long ago voiced dissatisfaction here at being prompted to authenticate "every time" they moved something to the root of their hard drive. The proper answer in such a case is: "Why are you routinely moving things to the root of your hard drive? There's virtually no legitimate need to do that ever, let alone often enough to be annoyed at authentication."
Bastion, you are a power user. Respect.
However, you are overlooking an apparent user need to move files around freely (without authentication). The OSX team has made a slight shift that does not necessarily match up with the non-power user mental model of how files are stored and organized. For example, in OS9 there was only one set place for a file (unless you had set up an alias). In OSX with root directories and such, files can be accessed from multiple places perhaps in an effort to create a more dynamic workflow. The learning curve is slightly steeper with OSX, yet it's a much more powerful OS now. That being said, there does not seem to be enough documentation or EFFECTIVE/CONTEXTUAL help on how to deal with the new way files are managed. OSX has been slowly evolving to be more...safe...or restrictive.
When a system gets in the way of the user (as is the case here), we should remind ourselves what Apple stands for at its core; simplicity (in the highest sense), user-centered design, and beauty.
I understand what you're saying, but I don't believe I was overlooking anything. My response to the above is pretty much what I wrote to the prior poster. The legitimate need to manipulate the contents of the boot drive's root directory is vanishingly rare. It is almost never the correct thing to do, and it's one of the worst places in the file system to do something unintentional like fumble-fingering a keyboard shortcut and sending the wrong file/folder to the trash. In that regard, I feel it's correct to discourage people from interacting with the root directory; there are other places within the file system, such as /Users/Shared, that are much more sensible and much less dangerous.
There's been no real change to the way files are managed, as a user activity, since the appearance of real directories in System 3.2. Even back then there were places things shouldn't or couldn't be put.
#6
Posted 20 February 2012 - 10:14 AM
Simplyhighlight the hard drive - open an "apple i" window on the hard drive. change permissions to read and write. Then use disk utility - and repair permissions on the hard drive. the problem goes away.
#7
Posted 20 February 2012 - 11:20 AM
everhart12, on 20 February 2012 - 10:14 AM, said:
Simplyhighlight the hard drive - open an "apple i" window on the hard drive. change permissions to read and write. Then use disk utility - and repair permissions on the hard drive. the problem goes away.
this
pretty much what Bastion has been saying all along.
#8
Posted 16 May 2012 - 05:15 AM
Can you please explicitly tell me step-by-step how to do this? Don't know what you mean by "open an 'apple i' window...thanks so much.
#9
Posted 16 May 2012 - 03:04 PM
that would be File >Get Info
or
⌘i
"get info" opens up a panel.. you want to highlite your hard drive when you do this.
now at the bottom of that panel is Sharing & Permissions.
click the ▶ so it opens that section.
set for read & Write for whomever you wish there.
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