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Posted 18 February 2012 - 09:11 AM
DennisH, on 18 February 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:
No RSS in Mountain Lion? How is this a step forward?
I find reviewing mail and rss feeds such a natural things to do together.
I find reviewing mail and rss feeds such a natural things to do together.
I always wondered why RSS feeds were handled by Mail because they don't seem to go together.
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Posted 18 February 2012 - 09:26 AM
shing, on 18 February 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:
Does this version allow the user to remove mail messages from the server individually like Outlook? That is the one thing that keeps me away from Mail.
You already can remove messages from the server individually. Press Command-I, and select the server in the resulting dialog. Then select whatever messages you want to remove, and the click the Remove From Server button.
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Posted 18 February 2012 - 09:27 AM
shing, on 18 February 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:
Does this version allow the user to remove mail messages from the server individually like Outlook? That is the one thing that keeps me away from Mail.
What do you mean? That's an account configuration issue such as POP or IMAP. It's based on your account-holder's capabilities such as GMail or some other third party provider. I use IMAP so all my messages are stored on the server until I tell them to be deleted (where as POP does not - once downloaded it's removed from the server). Works the same in any version of Mail on a Mac, or Outlook on a PC.
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Posted 18 February 2012 - 09:41 AM
RSS feeds in Safari were handy mainly because they sync’d across devices.
RSS feeds in Mail are handy because they downloaded and I could keep specific news items while tossing the rest. I had used Vienna for many years, but found it was deleting items after about a year of so. So I moved all my feed addresses to Safari/Mail.
I do not wish to host my feeds on a service that 1) may just go away and I’ve lost all my feeds/articles 2) spies on me to sell me out.
I also liked Mail as a feed reader because individual articles were single files, thus they could be opened with a text editor, and Time Machine backups are efficient.
Globbing all articles into a single file database is less than desirable for me: database corruption and you might loose it all, huge backups every hour, lack of multi-app ability to open and view feeds/articles, etc…
RSS feeds in Mail are handy because they downloaded and I could keep specific news items while tossing the rest. I had used Vienna for many years, but found it was deleting items after about a year of so. So I moved all my feed addresses to Safari/Mail.
I do not wish to host my feeds on a service that 1) may just go away and I’ve lost all my feeds/articles 2) spies on me to sell me out.
I also liked Mail as a feed reader because individual articles were single files, thus they could be opened with a text editor, and Time Machine backups are efficient.
Globbing all articles into a single file database is less than desirable for me: database corruption and you might loose it all, huge backups every hour, lack of multi-app ability to open and view feeds/articles, etc…
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Posted 18 February 2012 - 09:55 AM
CBZinger, on 18 February 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:
shing, on 18 February 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:
Does this version allow the user to remove mail messages from the server individually like Outlook? That is the one thing that keeps me away from Mail.
What do you mean? That's an account configuration issue such as POP or IMAP. It's based on your account-holder's capabilities such as GMail or some other third party provider. I use IMAP so all my messages are stored on the server until I tell them to be deleted (where as POP does not - once downloaded it's removed from the server). Works the same in any version of Mail on a Mac, or Outlook on a PC.
POP accounts do not have to be set so that when your mail is downloaded it is deleted from the server. I know because mine is configured to do this. And yes, command I will give you a list of mail on that server that you can delete.
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Posted 18 February 2012 - 10:27 AM
Bairnsfather, on 18 February 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:
RSS feeds in Safari were handy mainly because they sync’d across devices...
When I first discovered RSS (before Safari had it built-in) I used NewsFire which was great b/c it was a light interface that allowed for keyboard navigation.
Then like you, I came to like being able to sync feeds across devices, but not being able to mark articles as 'viewed' always bugged me. You would have to know where you left off on your list.
Now I use NetNewsWire and their companion iOS app. It uses gmail's index of your feeds to sync 'viewed' statuses between devices, and provides the ultimate in keyboard navigation along with making it easy to open articles in the browser while continuing to scan your feeds.
If anyone is sad to see RSS support leave these two apps, I strongly suggest you take a look at the *free* NetNewsWire ecosystem. It's a much more pleasant and efficient way to manager even large numbers of feeds. I can't recommend it enough.
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Posted 18 February 2012 - 10:33 AM
The primary reason I use Safari is its RSS implementation.
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Posted 18 February 2012 - 10:42 AM
But does it play well with Exchange???
See https://discussions....tart=0&tstart=0
"Updating" to Lion caused all sorts of problems, ignoring the UI tweaks. Mail being wonky with Exchange is a real problem. I like the new flags, and the new features with ML are very enticing, but if they can't get it to work with Exchange without having to Command+Q on a regular basis then it loses significant value.
Has anyone tested it with Exchange?
See https://discussions....tart=0&tstart=0
"Updating" to Lion caused all sorts of problems, ignoring the UI tweaks. Mail being wonky with Exchange is a real problem. I like the new flags, and the new features with ML are very enticing, but if they can't get it to work with Exchange without having to Command+Q on a regular basis then it loses significant value.
Has anyone tested it with Exchange?
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Posted 18 February 2012 - 11:19 AM
yeah, seriously. no RSS? i actually use RSS in Mail. that's how i found out about this article! RSS in Mail is how i get my news about Apple and other tech. i don't wanna have to use a separate app to check my RSS. it's perfectly fine in Mail.
i hope they do include it in the GM.
i hope they do include it in the GM.
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Posted 18 February 2012 - 12:08 PM
WhiteKnight, on 18 February 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:
But does it play well with Exchange???
See https://discussions....tart=0&tstart=0
"Updating" to Lion caused all sorts of problems, ignoring the UI tweaks. Mail being wonky with Exchange is a real problem. I like the new flags, and the new features with ML are very enticing, but if they can't get it to work with Exchange without having to Command+Q on a regular basis then it loses significant value.
Has anyone tested it with Exchange?
See https://discussions....tart=0&tstart=0
"Updating" to Lion caused all sorts of problems, ignoring the UI tweaks. Mail being wonky with Exchange is a real problem. I like the new flags, and the new features with ML are very enticing, but if they can't get it to work with Exchange without having to Command+Q on a regular basis then it loses significant value.
Has anyone tested it with Exchange?
Before you blame everything on Mail, look at Exchange for the main reason things aren't working right. At work, I've fought these problems for years and most of the problems are on the Exchange end. Lion did make a major change in how Directory Services are handled (now totally under Open Directory) but most of the issues have been solved. Of course, we're stuck using the Exchange webmail client, which has its limitations when working with Macs (except Entourage/Outlook, which has been coded to work, more or less).
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Posted 18 February 2012 - 12:25 PM
MichelleEris, on 18 February 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:
shing, on 18 February 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:
Does this version allow the user to remove mail messages from the server individually like Outlook? That is the one thing that keeps me away from Mail.
You already can remove messages from the server individually. Press Command-I, and select the server in the resulting dialog. Then select whatever messages you want to remove, and the click the Remove From Server button.
Thanks you for that. I would never have found that. It does not show on any of the menus. Another undocumented, but very useful feature.
