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[pcharles]

Looks like we are reaching the point where the litigation lunacy is hurting customers. I guess it is just a matter of time before the off-switch spreads.

[rob53]

Of course, what the author forgot to mention is Motorola's patent is part of a standard and as soon as the EU rules on Motorola's abuse of standards, this will be overturned.

[hayesk]

Live by the obvious software patent sword, die by the obvious patent sword.

Software patents are hurting the industry, not protecting it. Software patents should undergo a peer-review procedure before being granted, not by a clerk in the patent office with insufficient expertise to judge its value.

[jdb8167]

rob53, on 17 April 2012 - 07:26 AM, said:

Of course, what the author forgot to mention is Motorola's patent is part of a standard and as soon as the EU rules on Motorola's abuse of standards, this will be overturned.

I don't think one is part of a FRAND agreement. Apple is challenging it on its validity I believe.

"The push notification patent is not a FRAND-pledged standard-essential patent."

http://www.fosspaten...s-motorola.html

This post has been edited by jdb8167: 17 April 2012 - 08:09 AM

[n4hhe]

hayesk, on 17 April 2012 - 08:00 AM, said:

Live by the obvious software patent sword, die by the obvious patent sword.

Software patents are hurting the industry, not protecting it. Software patents should undergo a peer-review procedure before being granted, not by a clerk in the patent office with insufficient expertise to judge its value.

There is nothing wrong with software patents and everything right. That which is implemented in software is no less a real machine than that built with nuts and bolts.

What is wrong is the court system. Time once was that patent courts deemed the control algorithms for a flying head over a 10" platter to be different than those of 12" platters previously patented. And yet again different for 8", and 5-1/4" ... And this is another case of such silliness as it treats "wireless mobile" as a totally new world where the old inventions can be reclaimed as a new patent. After a brief scan of the patent I don't see how it differs from IDLE mode in IMAP4. The article states that those receiving service from other than iCloud are not affected. No doubt they are using IMAP4 with those services.

[Diesel50]

wow this is old news it happened days ago lol come to the party macworld.

[Diesel50]

rob53, on 17 April 2012 - 07:26 AM, said:

Of course, what the author forgot to mention is Motorola's patent is part of a standard and as soon as the EU rules on Motorola's abuse of standards, this will be overturned.

This patent is not part of a standard it is a private ip patent related to pagers and is very old, the 3g patent that googlorola is suing apple over is a standards patent as well as the h.264 patent that googlorola is suing microsoft over.

[johndrake]

Diesel50, on 17 April 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

rob53, on 17 April 2012 - 07:26 AM, said:

Of course, what the author forgot to mention is Motorola's patent is part of a standard and as soon as the EU rules on Motorola's abuse of standards, this will be overturned.

This patent is not part of a standard it is a private ip patent related to pagers and is very old, the 3g patent that googlorola is suing apple over is a standards patent as well as the h.264 patent that googlorola is suing microsoft over.

Ooo,googlorola, you need to patent/copyright that!

[warlock7]

Funny that they keep saying that Motorola has a smartphone patent library when the vast majority of their products weren't smartphones until recently. I'd always heard that they had a large patent library related to mobile telecommunications, not smartphones. Seems a little bit off the mark.

[BerndPaysan]

Some comments seem to imply that Motorola is the unjust attacker, and Apple the victim. Please take a look at the bigger picture. Jobs wanted to destroy Android, and even spent his last breath to do so, because "Android is stolen". This is so wrong, this is not the point. We live in a economic system called "free market", and competition there is healthy and the norm. Of course competition means that you integrate the best features of your competitor in your product, too.

Patents, which are there to prevent exactly this, are therefore a bad idea. The best way to make quick improvement of technology is competition, because each party has to invent and invent to make their product better - stop inventing, and your advantage is gone within half a year (or whatever time it takes the competitor to catch up).

One can only hope that this litigation lunacy will make this clear to everybody, including the legislation, and it will stop that nonsense in future.