Oracle provides Java fixes directly to Mac users

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:57 PM

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#2 n4hhe

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 03:50 PM

Just disable Java. It adds very little value.

#3 bonesb

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 03:57 PM

And, wait.

For the JRE, Oracle's not yet ready for primetime, got this a few minutes ago: "The java.net site is currently under maintenance. Please come back again later. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused."

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 03:59 PM

n4hhe, on 27 April 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

Just disable Java. It adds very little value.

Absolutely correct -- for web browsing. Unfortunately, there are still some mainstream "native" apps which make use of Java in one way or another, including most of Adobe's software.

- 24" iMac: 2.33GHz Core2 Duo/3GB RAM/2TB HD/GeForce 7600 w/256MB VRAM
- Hackintosh: 2.3GHz AMD Quad-Core/4GB RAM/multiple HDs/GeForce 8600 GTS w/256MB
- Verizon iPhone 4
- AppleTV (2nd Gen)
- 1TB Time Capsule
- 80GB iPod Classic

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 04:38 PM

There are many Java-based applications in use by corporate and government users so simply disabling it would disable many infrastructure systems. The same can't be said for typical home users but you still need to verify you don't require Java before totally disabling it.

As for automatic updates directly from Oracle, I'll wait until Oracle can prove they can deliver a clean and safe update process. Everyone is blaming Apple for the lack of a current/patched Java environment but Java has to be able to run within the rest of the OSX environment and that takes know-how and a lot of testing. Will Oracle commit to doing that? I know OpenJDK has put in a tremendous amount of effort getting Java to run under Lion but they keep delivering beta versions, which is typical of open source software.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 05:02 PM

it's good to see oracle makes upgrading java on osx so simple and straightforward .... or not. n4hhe has the correct answer. java is crap.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:40 AM

So, "Great Job" Oracle, the link sends me to page with 21 Download buttons on it. Which of those do I need to click...
I have the answer, NONE OF THEM. I'll just remove Java instead, problem solved.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:55 AM

even if apple updated, it wouldn't have affected the numbers much it would seem... even after they updated, some groups are claiming that the numbers haven't reduced. Could be 10.4/10.5 users, or 10.6/10.7 users that don't use software update (I'm working on a MacBook Pro right now that came with 10.7.1 on it, and it hasn't had a single update done since purchasing)

Java SE 7 is either 10.7 only or 10.6/10.7 so once again, won't affect something close to half of Mac users out there. In the long-run it should be a good thing as long as they keep it going.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:52 AM

MadAxeMan, on 28 April 2012 - 08:40 AM, said:

"Great Job" Oracle, the link sends me to page with 21 Download buttons on it. Which of those do I need to click"

Indeed!

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 12:35 PM

MadAxeMan, on 28 April 2012 - 08:40 AM, said:

I was majorly confused by that also. Macnn.com supplied the following:

"The company plans to make a consumer version of Java SE 7 Update 4 available as the default version of Java as of May 1st,
with the Mac version coming sometime later in the year (system requirements were not announced, but it is expected to work
with Macs running Snow Leopard and Lion versions).

Read more: http://www.macnn.com.../#ixzz1tMx9irZt

This post has been edited by marilynat107: 28 April 2012 - 12:35 PM

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 10:45 PM

1. Java is a common platform for development; there are quite a few web applications out there with a large Java part; consequently, this is mainly relevant for developers and sys admins.
2. Oracle (and previously Sun) has a lousy track record of updating software on the PC; most devs and admins prefer to run the updater by hand.

Conclusion: this is hardly relevant if you disable Java in all your browsers.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 08:40 AM

The vast numbers of Java-related downloads at the article-provided link are confusing unless you're knowledgeable already. Looks more oriented to knowledgeable Java programmers than consumers.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:10 PM

Petew said:

MadAxeMan said:

"Great Job" Oracle, the link sends me to page with 21 Download buttons on it. Which of those do I need to click"

Indeed!

While the page is perhaps a bit intimidating at first glance, a brief scan of the provided descriptions guides one easily to what one needs.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 04:59 PM

Since Oracle has not yet got their Mac updater really finished, this article seems premature. While the auto-updater is news of a sort, it's still a work in progress. Perhaps Macworld will notify us again when the Mac version is complete - and properly tested.