[jrdvt]

Those who make a living bashing Apple generally overlook a basic market trend: The companies they evidently prefer (or work for) are shameless follow-the-leader imitators, seeking to cash in on an Apple innovation as soon as it's clear that the market likes said innovation.

So the bashers are indirectly biting the hand that feeds them. Don't slam the competition's products when your employer is trying to figure out how to copy them as closely as legally possible.

[KPOM]

"And what businesses are likely to do is finally pull the trigger on Windows 7"

Exactly. Windows 7 has all the makings of being XP II, particularly if Windows 8 winds up becoming Vista II. Windows 8 looks like it will be a good tablet OS, but I'm not yet convinced that all these touchscreen Ultrabooks that were announced this week will sell well. They are a bit too big to be good tablets (the iPad is about as heavy as possible to comfortably hold in one hand). Windows 8 on the desktop looks suboptimal, to say the least.

Now, if my employer would finally move us off VISTA, I'd be happy...

[klahanas]

KPOM, on 09 June 2012 - 08:40 AM, said:

"And what businesses are likely to do is finally pull the trigger on Windows 7"

Exactly. Windows 7 has all the makings of being XP II, particularly if Windows 8 winds up becoming Vista II. Windows 8 looks like it will be a good tablet OS, but I'm not yet convinced that all these touchscreen Ultrabooks that were announced this week will sell well. They are a bit too big to be good tablets (the iPad is about as heavy as possible to comfortably hold in one hand). Windows 8 on the desktop looks suboptimal, to say the least.

Now, if my employer would finally move us off VISTA, I'd be happy...

I think you're spot on. Unless Windows 8 offers compelling technical benefits that improve performance and/or make the computer more versatile, then I won't be upgrading.

[TeaEarleGreyHot]

I wonder, of 500 people questioned at a typical mall, what percentage would be able to correctly identify Steve Jobs. And of another 500, what percentage could name one of the three "founders of Apple Computer"? My guess is that those percentages are rather low.

[Spock]

TeaEarleGreyHot, on 09 June 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

I wonder, of 500 people questioned at a typical mall, what percentage would be able to correctly identify Steve Jobs. And of another 500, what percentage could name one of the three "founders of Apple Computer"? My guess is that those percentages are rather low.

The typical mall shopper could not locate the USA on a map.

..... But I bet every one of them knows where the Apple store is located in the mall.

This post has been edited by Spock: 09 June 2012 - 11:27 AM

[Stewsburntmonkey]

Interestingly I think Bill Gates is the one mostly known for simply making money (and then giving a lot of it away). Steve Jobs is known as a visionary. I would bet Steve lives longer in people's minds than Bill does.

[whitedog]

Malcolm Gladwell? He's still alive? And talking? Well, don't that beat all. Thought he was dead, buried and forgotten.

[Chris Breen]

50 years isn't nearly long enough. 50 years ago was 1962. So, Elvis, Sinatra, Beatles... plus we're coming up on the 100th anniversary of talking motion pictures. With the kind of records and multimedia data we have now, 50 years is nothing. Let's look at this in 200 years and then we'll see,

[Kyosaku]

Nicola Tesla

[RobLewis]

Must see this major exposé on Malcom Gladwell's long, long history of shilling for corporations:

http://www.nakedcapi...opagandist.html

Maybe MS (or Gates) is his client.

[GwilymLucas]

A great one this week Monsieur Macalope. Particularly, About Schmidt...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0257360/

[HeinrichsJM]

klahanas, on 09 June 2012 - 08:28 AM, said:

disorderlycjhp, on 09 June 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

klahanas, on 09 June 2012 - 07:01 AM, said:

Scully, on 09 June 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

klahanas, on 09 June 2012 - 06:19 AM, said:

JP Carnegie, Andrew Morgan, John Jacob Rockefeller, Charles Astor, etc...

All sound vaguely familiar.....

You mean J.P. Morgan, and Andrew Carnegie.

That was irony my friend...

Was it? You've forgotten the important adage: "On the Internet, no one knows you're an iron."

Regarding Dell's Kremer, he's playing from the old "my vaporware is better than your shipping product" playbook, although I suppose in his case that would be "vaporware". The technique worked well for IBM for years, and then for Microsoft. Dell? Not so much. And when have they ever delivered a better product? Cheaper, sure. But better?

I'll grant you that there was "some" subtlety to my post, but not much. All first names were wrong (on purpose), all were industrialists, and all were considered robber barons's, while also being philanthropists.Though they've earned their name in history, industrialists don't achieve historical fame to the level of those gifted in the arts, letter's, and sciences.

"John Davidson Rockefeller"

Cheers

[midorosan]

My iPad is OK I've put it in a dark dull case (a bit like Mr Kremer). His remarks were particularly stupid even by australian standards.

[palane]

I had a similar discussion on one of the Washington Post's political boards. One of the usual suspects put up a post about not seeing why there should be any public unions as they simply give money to politicians. I used his comment, word for word, substituting corporations for unions. The comment flips perfectly. He, of course, failed to get the point.

One can use being deliberately obtuse as a weapon whenever anyone tries a comment with the slightest bit of subtlety. And then complain that they're being insulted when you point out they're missing the point.

BB

klahanas, on 09 June 2012 - 08:28 AM, said:

disorderlycjhp, on 09 June 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

klahanas, on 09 June 2012 - 07:01 AM, said:

Scully, on 09 June 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

You mean J.P. Morgan, and Andrew Carnegie.

That was irony my friend...

Was it? You've forgotten the important adage: "On the Internet, no one knows you're an iron."

I'll grant you that there was "some" subtlety to my post, but not much. All first names were wrong (on purpose), all were industrialists, and all were considered robber barons's, while also being philanthropists.Though they've earned their name in history, industrialists don't achieve historical fame to the level of those gifted in the arts, letter's, and sciences.