[licatachris]

JonGibson, on 11 June 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

canyonlight, on 11 June 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:

When you publish more info on the new MacBook Pro be sure and tell us what a delight it is to try to upgrade the RAM.

About as delightful as the previous models, would be my guess. Remove a few screws, off comes the back panel, pull out the old RAM, add in the new, replace the screws.

I wish. The new MBP has RAM soldered to the motherboard, what you buy is what you get.

[JakeKramer]

I'm happy for the lack of Disk drive. I can no longer use my disk drive. It craped out a few years ago and I've been quite fine with out it. Honsitly laptops do not need them anymore.
Plus my internet is not super fast and I'm fine with useing the cloud.
But I would rather be able to have the 700gb ssd in the base modle. 250 gb is nothing, and you cant put a 500gb ssd in.

Thats the only thing im saddened on, Because I would defently install Windows 7 as a Bootcamp if I had 500gb or more, 250 is not enough for both.

[JonGibson]

JonGibson, on 11 June 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

canyonlight, on 11 June 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:

When you publish more info on the new MacBook Pro be sure and tell us what a delight it is to try to upgrade the RAM.

About as delightful as the previous models, would be my guess. Remove a few screws, off comes the back panel, pull out the old RAM, add in the new, replace the screws.

Ok, so I just read that the RAM is soldered to the logic board.... soooooo, that sucks. Considering the hardware would likely support 32GB of ram, limiting users to Apple RAM of 16GB seems kind of, well, lame.

On the bright side, at least upgrading to the 16GB at purchase isn't the huge hit to the wallet it used to be. Still, it's twice as expensive as after-market RAM runs...

Money talks... maybe Apple will hear something to make them change their attitude about soldering RAM to the logic board for future iterations...? Yeah, right.

[adavidw]

JonGibson, on 11 June 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

canyonlight, on 11 June 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:

When you publish more info on the new MacBook Pro be sure and tell us what a delight it is to try to upgrade the RAM.

About as delightful as the previous models, would be my guess. Remove a few screws, off comes the back panel, pull out the old RAM, add in the new, replace the screws.

Except the RAM is soldered to the logic board in this particular model...

[paofrancescoli]

Is the date of the release known ??

[doh123]

paofrancescoli, on 12 June 2012 - 04:12 AM, said:

Is the date of the release known ??

yesterday...?

My order from the Apple store of the high end one upgraded to 16GB says its would ship in 5 to 7 days when I ordered it yesterday.

[boydp182]

mwflinn, on 11 June 2012 - 11:39 PM, said:

Always quite the innovators' - Are you kidding me, can't believe they've lost the DVD drive. I'm out on this one. Looks like I've bought my last Mac Book.

Just buy the other Macbook Pro then man. Geez. They still have it on the other Macbook Pro-not just the next generation one with Retina.

[migeon]

Does Apple lose money in selling 17" laptops? If so, is it so much that it can't see it's way to continue supporting an important group users? Does it deserve even a mention from a reviewer? There are many key Mac users that depend on laptops with the larger screen. If Apple can't see its way to offer the 17" size, where are we supposed to go? The big question in my head is "why don't they care"? I know I'm not alone in being a part of a group (in my case, a graphics and Mac-support professional) that has supported and depended on Apple for a long time. I've been an enthusiast and first-adopter of Apple's offerings for many years, and despite the fantastic features I see in the new Macs and new OS's, I'm facing upgrade-killers that leave me looking for ways to freeze my system.

[fribhey]

Bimmered, on 12 June 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:

mrobertson, on 12 June 2012 - 01:29 AM, said:

Bimmered, on 11 June 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

mwflinn, on 11 June 2012 - 11:39 PM, said:

Always quite the innovators' - Are you kidding me, can't believe they've lost the DVD drive. I'm out on this one. Looks like I've bought my last Mac Book.

Who the f still uses DVDs or CDs? I mean sure once a year you might want to burn an audio CD or copy smth but that's about it. If anyone needs so much a superdrive one can always get the external one that Apple sells.

And guess what? In my office there is a Mac Mini 2009 that has attached a USB Floppy Disk Drive simply because that person works on accounting and some financial institutions still work with FDDs (imagine that in 2012 !!!) but hey i'm not bitching they dropped the FDD from Macs.

It's simply a matter of old tech moving aside for the new tech.

Except if you still use software that uses DVDs - Adobe Master Suite Collection, dual-boot in Windows for Autodesk Creative Suite, et al. And for those of us who still want to play a DVD of the latest movie. Not everyone has uber-fast broadband.

What I am disappointed in is the fact that the Retina Display cannot be custom configured with a hard disk based model only the SSD versions. Given that Apple are banging on about Final Cut and HD resolution video, the 1TB drive is an interesting option even at the slower 5400rpm. I can only guess that the space is so tight on those models now, the bits just do not fit together.

Rip the DVDs to DMGs or ISO for any app that still use DVD to install and then put it on a stick.

so your solution to not having a CD/DVD drive is to rip DVDs to DMGs? really? and how are you supposed to do that when you don't have a CD?DVD drive? you need a CD/DVD drive in order to rip a DVD and if you have a DVD drive then why not just install from the disk?

if you don't have a CD/DVD drive just download the trial software, install and then enter in your serial number.

This post has been edited by fribhey: 12 June 2012 - 05:45 AM

[Photonerd]

I'll be interested to hear what the bit depth and gamut of this screen are, for people who need to do real color work.

[minimac93ne72]

What happened to the Kensington lock slot for the new MBP? It seems like a serious oversight if Apple expects their $2.2k laptops to not be desired by those who do not own them.

[JJPagac]

They Do support 17"! This is the same thing that happend last time there was a refresh in the design of their laptops. First they introduced the 15", then 6 months later introduced the 17". Prob a lot of R&D involved in getting everything in place for the larger models. In this case, I bet the biggest issue will be a 17" retna display. Give them time...

migeon, on 12 June 2012 - 05:34 AM, said:

Does Apple lose money in selling 17" laptops? If so, is it so much that it can't see it's way to continue supporting an important group users? Does it deserve even a mention from a reviewer? There are many key Mac users that depend on laptops with the larger screen. If Apple can't see its way to offer the 17" size, where are we supposed to go? The big question in my head is "why don't they care"? I know I'm not alone in being a part of a group (in my case, a graphics and Mac-support professional) that has supported and depended on Apple for a long time. I've been an enthusiast and first-adopter of Apple's offerings for many years, and despite the fantastic features I see in the new Macs and new OS's, I'm facing upgrade-killers that leave me looking for ways to freeze my system.

[zimm]

I was excited to possibly upgrade from my 2010 macbook pro (2.66 i7, 8GB RAM and a 750GB 7,200rpm drive upgrade). But it built out to $3800+ with applecare, looses my DVD burner, I'd have to replace the 3 magsafe chargers I have stationed around the house, and no ethernet port for the hard line at my desk for high speed downloads of massive files (Garmin map updates, etc). No thanks, I'll wait until it includes 4G before I jump ship. I am impressed with the display and FINALLY an HDMI port.

[bettercitizens]

Bimmered, on 11 June 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

mwflinn, on 11 June 2012 - 11:39 PM, said:

Always quite the innovators' - Are you kidding me, can't believe they've lost the DVD drive. I'm out on this one. Looks like I've bought my last Mac Book.

Who the f still uses DVDs or CDs? I mean sure once a year you might want to burn an audio CD or copy smth but that's about it. If anyone needs so much a superdrive one can always get the external one that Apple sells.

And guess what? In my office there is a Mac Mini 2009 that has attached a USB Floppy Disk Drive simply because that person works on accounting and some financial institutions still work with FDDs (imagine that in 2012 !!!) but hey i'm not bitching they dropped the FDD from Macs.

It's simply a matter of old tech moving aside for the new tech.

Cool down there - "Who the f still uses DVDs or CDs?"! What are you the optical media police? People will use the technology available to them. Like it or not there are as Carl Sagan would say "Billions upon Billions" of optical media disks out there. People will continue to use optical media for quite some time.