[Jasonmwa]

mc4o1993, on 14 June 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

JimRedfield, on 13 June 2012 - 06:12 AM, said:

The Retina Display Macbook Pros are bricks. Nothing is upgradable or replaceable. Memory fail, replace the mother board. SSD fail, replace the computer. Want to upgrade: Buy a new computer.

Better buy a 3 year warranty to cover your butt. Without that, failure after 90 days means buy a new computer. Back to 1984. Back to Apple.

Airs are the same.
iphones are the same.
ipads are the same.

the only caveat to this is that those devices are consumer ones, not professional, as the Mac's moniker would have you believe it is. Using the Mac Pro as an example, a certain amount of customizability is expected in a pro device. Desktops with drive slots and PCI and multiple hdds, laptops with express ports and at least access to internal parts. Apple has been working towards a lockdown of their systems and use a prosumer approach having already replaced 15" express slots with SD card slots (not even multiple media readers, JUST SD). Perhaps Apple has changed its idea of what their definition of professional is. Perhaps it's got nothing to do with tinkering around with the innards. A professional is not one, for example, who has decided before Apple that the optical drive isn't viable anymore and replaced it with a second, SDD, drive. A professional is someone who needs not think if such things and just needs speed, power, visuals, and portability. The retina. MBP is not a tinker toy but a specialized device for professionals in their respective fields. Apple has tried to cram as much as possible into this machine and had to shake up the idea of stock options. Memory is specialized, battery had to be redesigned. The major problem with this proprietary design and components is that most professionals spend as much as they can on a Mac with the assurance that when their new device yields them some dividends they can finish getting the machine they wanted, ie upgrading. Taking that away and knowing Apple's practice of gouging for RAM and storage taints this new design. Yet, look at the trade off. Visuals, power, speed. If it works for you great. It it doesn't, this isn't the product for you. For now, you have other options.

But having mentioned the Mac Pro, if this prosumering approach by Apple finds its way to it next year I think it would cause more issue than an added high end notebook to the MacBook line.

[zarmanto]

Jasonmwa, on 20 June 2012 - 08:00 AM, said:

... Perhaps Apple has changed its idea of what their definition of professional is. Perhaps it's got nothing to do with tinkering around with the innards. ... The retina. MBP is not a tinker toy ...

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

Jasonmwa, on 20 June 2012 - 08:00 AM, said:

... The major problem with this proprietary design and components is that most professionals spend as much as they can on a Mac with the assurance that when their new device yields them some dividends they can finish getting the machine they wanted, ie upgrading. ...

Right there, you lost me. Personally, I believe that I can best be described as a professional geek, so I easily fall into the description you've offered. (I've even done exactly that with my iMac, as I've stated elsewhere in this forum.) Likewise, many of the people who read and contribute in forums such as this one tend to fall within similar descriptions -- that's probably why they're here, after all -- but I don't think that most people in our society fall into that "geek" mold, not by a long shot.

As an anecdotal example: A good friend of mine is heavily invested in his home based photography business, and he is the consummate professional in every sense of the word when he's on the job -- but he has virtually no interest at all in delving into the innards of computer hardware and upgrading it on his own. In fact, he once asked me to upgrade the hard drive in his MacBook Pro for him; it might never have occurred to him to go that route at all, if he didn't have a geek like me to call upon, who actually enjoys doing that kind of thing.

In short, Geeks open computers, and upgrade stuff. Professionals are those people who need computers which offer the best performance that money can buy, so that they can get real work done. Geeks and Professionals are rarely one-and-the-same.

[LohitJethwani]

All in all this model is a winner for me since i upgraded from a 2008 macbook pro. Thin and lighter , no cd rom failure to worry about, its been ages i used a disk, and when i need to use a disk i can buy a super drive, even then there are alot of alternatives of dmg files. booting and everything is fast, and a geek is always sure of what he is investing into before making the buying, and please dont expect every apple product to match each and every type of user and mind set, if you are different form the class of others in terms of upgrading either shell out more or stick to what you have !

plays well with windows 7, and bootcamp drivers will follow the improvements.

in either case, no can deny the feel that they want this lappy on their lap ! simple !

most envy comes from those who havent bought it yet !