[bastion]

blurb44, on 19 June 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

I'm on my 9th mac dating back to 1986 - a recent mbp running snow leopard - have loved my macs.
Linux will be my next os for sure. NOT going to lion or 'mounting lion' either. I have no wish to be in that position. Apple should have stuck to INcreasing functionality, anonymity and user freedom - not the reverse. Apple has dealt me out. No ambiguity here or from other users i know.
Does this answer your question Chris?

I'm curious: Have you actually *tried* Lion before deciding that it represents Apple going in the "reverse" direction? I ask because my experience of Lion doesn't line up with your concerns about it.

[Jasonmwa]

Apple is not a company that revels in legacy technology, that includes Snow Leopard which will assuredly become unsupported soon. The answer is becoming more clear: if you don't want to use Lion you don't want to use a Mac. Either accept it or find a new platform. I'm growing tired of people stalling in 10.6 and complaining of features or actions they can't have/do, using a brand that is always looking ahead.

[Jasonmwa]

jalles, on 16 June 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

nmpike, on 14 June 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

With the speed of the new MBPro, you could easily install Parallels and then install Snow Leopard in parallels and then run snow leopard in full screen mode, thereby making it run on the new MBPro... but you wont get the retina resolution.

I saw the MBPro today with retina, and to be honest, there are only a few apps that take advantage of it, and if you run an app that doesnt (Word, Dreamweaver, Pages) it looks like CRAP. It looks like an old worn out tv from the 70s it so blurry.

I think that is yet more evidence that Steve Jobs isn't around anymore.... he would have made the OS compensate the fonts... i mean seriously if you run an old app on a new retina display it looks hideous.

Let's not trot that tired "Stevie J isn't with us so this is what happens" line. This laptop was most certainly in development while Steve was still working at Apple daily. At the least, you're insulting the people who work on these products by suggesting that Steve was the sole reason the products are great. Apple has always pushed technology and by extension, their developers. If it wasn't Apple that launched a Retina (like) display, and instead another company that sold Windows based computers, it would be the same deal, right? There was no way that a Retina Mac was going to launch after all mainstream apps accommodated these resolutions. Apple wasn't going to mail units to Microsoft MBU, Adobe, and a plethora of other developers just so the third party apps would be perfect on launch. The apps will catch up and the well designed ones will look more beautiful than they ever have. In the interest of balancing my argument out, besides me not really needing that kind of display, I didn't and don't want a Retina Mac for another few years so that by the time the apps have caught up, most of them will look great.

Just look at the MBP-R, it's in a class of it's own until it doesn't need to be. This is a machine a lot of developers should be targeting and purchasing to work with early in order to get their apps ready for the future.

I think the comment was to reference Steve and his calligraphy class that highly influenced typography on the original Mac. Still, Steve told Tim not to think "what would Steve do" and we as Mac users should follow suit. This is Apple now, with or without reality distortion, and we have to accept or move on. Funny how that was acceptable a year ago but everything's an outrage now.

[Jasonmwa]

AussieTrev, on 14 June 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

I'm still struggling to find bugs in Lion. I think it is a great upgrade. I even run it on an old MacBook and works fine.

One caveat for me is Versions. I'm learning to use it but I don't find it to be one of the best additions. Funny how many who don't like the iOS-ification have no problem using their iPhone, iPad.

Oh, and iPhoto. Not sure if it's the app itself or OS X but it seems way too bloated and buggy

[bastion]

Jasonmwa, on 20 June 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

Apple is not a company that revels in legacy technology, that includes Snow Leopard which will assuredly become unsupported soon. The answer is becoming more clear: if you don't want to use Lion you don't want to use a Mac. Either accept it or find a new platform. I'm growing tired of people stalling in 10.6 and complaining of features or actions they can't have/do, using a brand that is always looking ahead.

You do realize, though, that for the people who aren't able to upgrade to Lion for process reasons also aren't likely to be able to migrate to another platform? Those people are stuck, probably for good, because if a modern replacement for their critical process hasn't shown up in the last 6 years it's probably too much to hope that one ever will.

[PeterG]

bastion, on 20 June 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

Jasonmwa, on 20 June 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

Apple is not a company that revels in legacy technology, that includes Snow Leopard which will assuredly become unsupported soon. The answer is becoming more clear: if you don't want to use Lion you don't want to use a Mac. Either accept it or find a new platform. I'm growing tired of people stalling in 10.6 and complaining of features or actions they can't have/do, using a brand that is always looking ahead.

You do realize, though, that for the people who aren't able to upgrade to Lion for process reasons also aren't likely to be able to migrate to another platform? Those people are stuck, probably for good, because if a modern replacement for their critical process hasn't shown up in the last 6 years it's probably too much to hope that one ever will.

My 24"iMac is great. Works great, really haven't had a problem. But as you mentioned Bastion, some will not be able to go any further than what I have now. I bought my iMac and the END of '06 dec 28. (5.5years), I didn't think I had it that long. Its the "Intel Core 2 Duo" processor.

So unless I chuck my iMac, and buy a brand new model, I cannot upgrade. Even the MM to iCloud, is screwed. I did the (improvement) for iCal that worked, Mail is OK, Address/Contacts is loaded but obviously doesn't sync.
And because they can "Push" the iCal, then I feel if they wanted they could do a little more. Anyway.

Now thats without everything I have just works. But the new stuff, my computers are graveyard material.

And because I'm one of those guys that doesn't have to have the newest, I guess I have more than one foot in the grave.

So Respectfully, to those you rightfully mentioned, its not about complaining. Heck I've been a .mac/mm user since 2005, and the new stuff for Lion looks like what I had to SL.
A few code tweeks, and we're done.

And look how I can even use my old iMac on MW.

OS SL 10.6.8,
the iCal (good hack) 4.0.4

This post has been edited by PeterG: 20 June 2012 - 04:20 PM

[blurb44]

Jasonmwa, on 20 June 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

Apple is not a company that revels in legacy technology, that includes Snow Leopard which will assuredly become unsupported soon. The answer is becoming more clear: if you don't want to use Lion you don't want to use a Mac. Either accept it or find a new platform. I'm growing tired of people stalling in 10.6 and complaining of features or actions they can't have/do, using a brand that is always looking ahead.

"Snow Leopard which will assuredly become unsupported soon."
Another point that exposes the underlying problem at Apple.

Snow Leopard was the CURRENT OS for my mbp when I bought it 11 months ago.

Apple has completely abandoned its user-centric mission for a plan it hopes will please investors.
(Full screen nonsense to lure IOS users - oh geez. (Here comes the pointless protest about how one can be so much more productive with a single window as opposed to having simultaneous access to all that confusing information.))

The walled garden is quickly evolving into a dudgeon.
I know someone at this publication I've been reading for more than 20 years can see that the emperor isn't wearing a stitch.
Since you gentlemen earn a living writing about Apple, perhaps it is better to protest rather than lose what is left of the platform.
There may be a constructive result now that the company is no longer led by a deity.
I'm not the only one who actually will "find a new platform" when the time comes.

My sincere appreciation to Chris for the invitation to begin this vociferous post.

[Chris Breen]

blurb44, on 21 June 2012 - 11:52 PM, said:

My sincere appreciation to Chris for the invitation to begin this vociferous post.

Um, thanks?

That wasn't really what I had in mind, but if it feels better to get that off your chest, okay then.

Now, please, back on topic.

[romeosc]

CraigArko, on 14 June 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

Buy a copy of Snow Leopard Server (or Leopard Server) on eBay and run it in a VM. Works pretty well on Lion.

Apple Online will sell you a copy of Snow Leopard Server for $19!

Will older programs requiring Rosetta then be able to run in Parallels?

This post has been edited by romeosc: 26 August 2012 - 04:01 PM

[mAcUDIOPHILE]

Don't want to be rude but I have to say nothing is impossible. Official Apple "advisers" here in Spain told there was no possible to install Snow Leopard on a Mac mini 5.2 2011 as mine, and thats is not true, as was said on http://forums.macrum...d.php?t=1202095 and I even show it is possible on my video in spanish. BTW sorry for my english :-)
So, perhaps, with target mode install from another mac with snow, and updating software also to OS X 10.6.8 also on target disk boot mode from another mac also... it would be possible with a 2012 mac, but I have no tried with 2012 macs.