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Posted 20 June 2012 - 05:29 AM
"For the 13-inch models, the resolution options are lower, beginning with 1152 by 720 pixels."
Um... no? 1280x800, same as every previous generation? 1152x720 is the 11" MBA.
Um... no? 1280x800, same as every previous generation? 1152x720 is the 11" MBA.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 05:38 AM
I picked up the 15" 2.6Ghz because the screen is still really nice and in a couple of years I can slap in an SSD when the prices are more reasonable. 256GB storage on the base Retina model is just way too small (I'd have to use an external drive with it, negating the SSD) and the price jump to the higher-end Retina was too great.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 06:23 AM
The resolution of the 11" Air is 1366 by 768 as stated in Apple's website:
http://www.apple.com...kair/specs.html
http://www.apple.com...kair/specs.html
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 06:53 AM
How much of the speed gains on the rMBP are affected by the SSD? I'd be curious to see scores of the Legacy MBP 15 with an SSD boot volume. (Especially since that's the machine I'm configuring this evening, keeping the 750GB as an internal media drive.)
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 07:16 AM
pconigs, on 20 June 2012 - 06:53 AM, said:
How much of the speed gains on the rMBP are affected by the SSD? I'd be curious to see scores of the Legacy MBP 15 with an SSD boot volume. (Especially since that's the machine I'm configuring this evening, keeping the 750GB as an internal media drive.)
Regardless of test scores, SSDs just make a machine feel so much more responsive and satisfying. My 8 core Mac Pro is clearly faster than my 2011 Air, but the Air just feels snappier. (I will be getting an SSD for the Pro)
There is a very real benefit to SSDs if you don't have "unlimited" RAM. Not only are virtual memory swaps faster, but because quitting and restarting apps is so quick and painless, you tend to have less RAM tied up as active.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 07:26 AM
Outside of the screen technology, these Macbook Pros are most certainly PRO machines. Connectivity is actually easier since there is FireWire 800 (without a dongle) and Thunderbolt.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 08:14 AM
Oh Apple, what are you doing? I've got a five-year-old MacBook (with a SSD) but you're still not offering any compelling reason for me to upgrade. Look at the options you offer.
* 11" MacBook Air? The lightness and compactness of the 11" is appealing, but the battery life is dismal, only about two hours longer than the ancient battery on my MacBook. I'm not going to spend over $1000 to save a couple of pounds. Give me the sort of battery life my new iPad gets, and I might be interested.
* 13" MacBook Air? Better battery life than the 11", although still not quite enough. The lack of RAM expansion is also a big negative, as is the fact that there's only a minor difference between it an the much more capable and expandable 13" MacBook Pro. I'd get more for my buck with the latter.
* 13" MacBook Pro? It's a great computer for several years ago, but sadly dated for many of today's users. The stock hard drive is far bigger than I need for my desktop, much less a laptop and the Superdrive is wasted weight and space. In the end, if I bought this, I'd be spending about $1500 for a computer that, in practice, doesn't give me much more than my aging MacBook. What it has more of--hard drive space and speed--I don't need. I like the expandability, but it's heavy and old-fashioned like my MacBook.
What would I buy? Perhaps a model as expandable at the MacBook Pro with either an 11" or 13" screen. It'd come with the option of an easily upgraded, industry standard SSD (no proprietary model) and RAM expandable up to 16 Gig. The space now occupied by the SuperDrive would be used to reduce weight/size and for a larger battery, giving 10+ hours of battery life.
In short, it'd be a hybrid of the MBA and the MBP, taking the best from each.
* 11" MacBook Air? The lightness and compactness of the 11" is appealing, but the battery life is dismal, only about two hours longer than the ancient battery on my MacBook. I'm not going to spend over $1000 to save a couple of pounds. Give me the sort of battery life my new iPad gets, and I might be interested.
* 13" MacBook Air? Better battery life than the 11", although still not quite enough. The lack of RAM expansion is also a big negative, as is the fact that there's only a minor difference between it an the much more capable and expandable 13" MacBook Pro. I'd get more for my buck with the latter.
* 13" MacBook Pro? It's a great computer for several years ago, but sadly dated for many of today's users. The stock hard drive is far bigger than I need for my desktop, much less a laptop and the Superdrive is wasted weight and space. In the end, if I bought this, I'd be spending about $1500 for a computer that, in practice, doesn't give me much more than my aging MacBook. What it has more of--hard drive space and speed--I don't need. I like the expandability, but it's heavy and old-fashioned like my MacBook.
What would I buy? Perhaps a model as expandable at the MacBook Pro with either an 11" or 13" screen. It'd come with the option of an easily upgraded, industry standard SSD (no proprietary model) and RAM expandable up to 16 Gig. The space now occupied by the SuperDrive would be used to reduce weight/size and for a larger battery, giving 10+ hours of battery life.
In short, it'd be a hybrid of the MBA and the MBP, taking the best from each.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 08:23 AM
Martian, on 20 June 2012 - 07:16 AM, said:
pconigs, on 20 June 2012 - 06:53 AM, said:
How much of the speed gains on the rMBP are affected by the SSD? I'd be curious to see scores of the Legacy MBP 15 with an SSD boot volume. (Especially since that's the machine I'm configuring this evening, keeping the 750GB as an internal media drive.)
Regardless of test scores, SSDs just make a machine feel so much more responsive and satisfying. My 8 core Mac Pro is clearly faster than my 2011 Air, but the Air just feels snappier. (I will be getting an SSD for the Pro)
There is a very real benefit to SSDs if you don't have "unlimited" RAM. Not only are virtual memory swaps faster, but because quitting and restarting apps is so quick and painless, you tend to have less RAM tied up as active.
I have an SSD in my old SR MacBook. It definitely makes a difference. But that's the only factor I can see bumping up the Speedmark scores for the retina that far above the legacy MBP. Test that are strictly CPU & GPU dependent all score about the same.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 08:50 AM
> Now, it’s the Retina display model that caters to the creative crowd, the MacBook Pro that covers the consumer mid-market that places a premium on traditional laptop features, and the Air, which caters to a swiftly expanding group that values a combination of portability and increasingly speedy performance.<
The author seems to want to show off her marketing talent by slotting these computers into specific "markets." But I don't get a sense of this at all if I look at Apple's website and see how these computers are described.
I would imaging most consumers will go for the Air due to its lower price point and portability. Most business will probably go for the non-retina Pro. People who got in line for the RD are the ones who must have the latest toys and have the money to burn.
But then, any of such generalization is doomed to be wrong, I guess.
The author seems to want to show off her marketing talent by slotting these computers into specific "markets." But I don't get a sense of this at all if I look at Apple's website and see how these computers are described.
I would imaging most consumers will go for the Air due to its lower price point and portability. Most business will probably go for the non-retina Pro. People who got in line for the RD are the ones who must have the latest toys and have the money to burn.
But then, any of such generalization is doomed to be wrong, I guess.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 09:46 AM
I'd like to see some comparison with the previous 2.4 & 2.5 GHz 17" models. They already have the same sized battery as in the new Hi DPI MacBook Pro. They have a much larger sized screen, the same 16 GB of ram, an optical drive or a second hdd or sdd. Your choice for either. Plus that choice can change as often as you want to open up the back of your MacBook Pro.
The higher resolution 15" McBook Pro is all there is to choose from. I would say that it will be the choice for all except those that want a still smaller screen. I'm one that think that I have lost too many useful & needed features just to have a 1" thick case. I'm not willing to give up more just to have what is called a retina display model. The only screens that I can seen individual pixels on is the larger 70-80" displays that are only 1920 X 1080 at a max. Then normally even they must be changed to a much lower dpi to see the individual pixels. To me there is only loss in the retina MacBook Pros & loss of screen size in the 15" so called regular model.
I know what I want & what I need. My current late 2011 2.5 GHz 17" MacBook Pros will last me for many, many years. At that time I will have to look into downgrading to a 15" model. I just hope that Apple still has the regular 15" model for sale.
But by then the iPad will handle all of our work. So that means that the 11", 13" & 15" Macs will being going the way of the 17" model. I've heard no tears of sadness from many on this site at the loss on any new 17" MacBook Pros, so don't expect any tears from me on your loss of the 15", then the 13" & finally the 11 Mac laptops. I can take your attitude if I need to.
The higher resolution 15" McBook Pro is all there is to choose from. I would say that it will be the choice for all except those that want a still smaller screen. I'm one that think that I have lost too many useful & needed features just to have a 1" thick case. I'm not willing to give up more just to have what is called a retina display model. The only screens that I can seen individual pixels on is the larger 70-80" displays that are only 1920 X 1080 at a max. Then normally even they must be changed to a much lower dpi to see the individual pixels. To me there is only loss in the retina MacBook Pros & loss of screen size in the 15" so called regular model.
I know what I want & what I need. My current late 2011 2.5 GHz 17" MacBook Pros will last me for many, many years. At that time I will have to look into downgrading to a 15" model. I just hope that Apple still has the regular 15" model for sale.
But by then the iPad will handle all of our work. So that means that the 11", 13" & 15" Macs will being going the way of the 17" model. I've heard no tears of sadness from many on this site at the loss on any new 17" MacBook Pros, so don't expect any tears from me on your loss of the 15", then the 13" & finally the 11 Mac laptops. I can take your attitude if I need to.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:20 AM
heisebookkeeping, on 20 June 2012 - 09:46 AM, said:
I'd like to see some comparison with the previous 2.4 & 2.5 GHz 17" models. ...
Seems like you already did the comparison and convinced yourself the old 17" models are your choice.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 10:28 AM
Inkling, on 20 June 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:
Oh Apple, what are you doing? I've got a five-year-old MacBook (with a SSD) but you're still not offering any compelling reason for me to upgrade. Look at the options you offer.
* 11" MacBook Air? The lightness and compactness of the 11" is appealing, but the battery life is dismal, only about two hours longer than the ancient battery on my MacBook. I'm not going to spend over $1000 to save a couple of pounds. Give me the sort of battery life my new iPad gets, and I might be interested.
* 13" MacBook Air? Better battery life than the 11", although still not quite enough. The lack of RAM expansion is also a big negative, as is the fact that there's only a minor difference between it an the much more capable and expandable 13" MacBook Pro. I'd get more for my buck with the latter.
* 13" MacBook Pro? It's a great computer for several years ago, but sadly dated for many of today's users. The stock hard drive is far bigger than I need for my desktop, much less a laptop and the Superdrive is wasted weight and space. In the end, if I bought this, I'd be spending about $1500 for a computer that, in practice, doesn't give me much more than my aging MacBook. What it has more of--hard drive space and speed--I don't need. I like the expandability, but it's heavy and old-fashioned like my MacBook.
What would I buy? Perhaps a model as expandable at the MacBook Pro with either an 11" or 13" screen. It'd come with the option of an easily upgraded, industry standard SSD (no proprietary model) and RAM expandable up to 16 Gig. The space now occupied by the SuperDrive would be used to reduce weight/size and for a larger battery, giving 10+ hours of battery life.
In short, it'd be a hybrid of the MBA and the MBP, taking the best from each.
* 11" MacBook Air? The lightness and compactness of the 11" is appealing, but the battery life is dismal, only about two hours longer than the ancient battery on my MacBook. I'm not going to spend over $1000 to save a couple of pounds. Give me the sort of battery life my new iPad gets, and I might be interested.
* 13" MacBook Air? Better battery life than the 11", although still not quite enough. The lack of RAM expansion is also a big negative, as is the fact that there's only a minor difference between it an the much more capable and expandable 13" MacBook Pro. I'd get more for my buck with the latter.
* 13" MacBook Pro? It's a great computer for several years ago, but sadly dated for many of today's users. The stock hard drive is far bigger than I need for my desktop, much less a laptop and the Superdrive is wasted weight and space. In the end, if I bought this, I'd be spending about $1500 for a computer that, in practice, doesn't give me much more than my aging MacBook. What it has more of--hard drive space and speed--I don't need. I like the expandability, but it's heavy and old-fashioned like my MacBook.
What would I buy? Perhaps a model as expandable at the MacBook Pro with either an 11" or 13" screen. It'd come with the option of an easily upgraded, industry standard SSD (no proprietary model) and RAM expandable up to 16 Gig. The space now occupied by the SuperDrive would be used to reduce weight/size and for a larger battery, giving 10+ hours of battery life.
In short, it'd be a hybrid of the MBA and the MBP, taking the best from each.
I have a early 2008 MacBook Pro updated with 6 GB RAM and OWC 3G SSD. It's like a new computer with the SSD (special thanks to Super Duper and YouTube for making the swap so easy) and expanded RAM. I am not planning to upgrade until the new MacPro's are released ("late 2013 according to Mr. Cook). I do not really need a laptop anymore - the iPad can handle 90+% of my portable computing needs making buying another laptop not really necessary, at least for my needs. When the new MacPro's are out I will compare them against the iMac and also potential Hackintosh options to see what will work best for me - I run Logic Studio and other audion software/plug-ins. I will nedd to evaluate if the MacPro is overkill considering that I could upgrade it and probably get at least 8 years (a decade?) useage out of one.
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