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Posted 23 July 2012 - 05:41 AM
Bottom line - Apple will have to pay some reasonable rate to license the essential 3G patents from Samsung.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 06:03 AM
bettercitizens, on 23 July 2012 - 05:41 AM, said:
Bottom line - Apple will have to pay some reasonable rate to license the essential 3G patents from Samsung.
I'm not sure what article you read... but that's not the bottom line to what I just read. Take this quote in particular:
Macworld, on 23 July 2012 - 04:31 AM, said:
Samsung asked Justice Annabelle Claire Bennett to separate the company’s cross-claim hearings from Apple’s tablet allegation.
Samsung originally attached their counter-claims to Apple's lawsuits on purpose, in a lame attempt to confuse the issues. (Well.. um... yeah, I stole Jonny's toy -- but he was watching my TV without my permission! I don't owe him anything!) Samsung thought their counter-claims would somehow derail Apple's litigation efforts, but that has not been the result at all. This midstream change down-under suggests that Samsung foresees a ruling favorable to Apple; as such, Samsung is now trying to extricate their counter-claims into a separate lawsuit, so that they might possibly be able to gain some measure of negotiating power and/or recompense, after a decision is made on Apple's claims.
In other words, I would argue that the "bottom line" is that Apple is winning.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 06:36 AM
Given that Apple doesn't make 3G chips, it uses third party chips, there is certainly a question of whether Apple should have to negotiate with Samsung at all, as in many/most cases the manufacturer of the chips is the one who is responsible for the licensing and the device maker is simply a customer of the chip maker (and doesn't need to strike licensing deals with the IP owners directly).
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 06:52 AM
Apple seems to have forgotten how generous Bill Gates was in 1997 when he appeared on-screen at MacWorld, promising to invest $150 million in Apple and maintain Microsoft Office on the Mac. Wired even referred to the result as "Apple Rescued--by Microsoft."
Our characters are tested at the extremes: when we're going down like Apple was in 1997, and when we're up, rich and powerful like Apple is today. A old-fashioned word, magnanimity, probably best expresses what is needed here. Wikipedia defines it this way:
Magnanimity (derived from the Latin roots magn- great, and animus, mind, literally means greatly generous) is the virtue of being great of mind and heart. It encompasses, usually, a refusal to be petty, a willingness to face danger, and actions for noble purposes.
Bill Gates was magnanimous to its competitor Apple, when Microsoft was at the top and Apple down, because, as Wikipedia notes, "One form of magnanimity is the generosity of the victor to the defeated." Unfortunately, Apple doesn't seem to be able to display a similar attitude now that it is at the top. It wants to use every legal pretext possible to beat down its competitors. No generosity. Not even much good sense. In ten years, perhaps even five, Apple could be again down.
Those who'd like to know more might read The Abolition of Man by C. S. Lewis. He writes on the classic view that the chest, the seat of virtues such as courage and magnanimity, should provide a bond between a head that can get too abstract and cerebral and a gut, which can be too driven by irrational passions. And he criticized modern society for not building people with those virtues, writing:
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."
Apple, with all its lawsuits, seems to be dominated by what Lewis called "chestless men."
Our characters are tested at the extremes: when we're going down like Apple was in 1997, and when we're up, rich and powerful like Apple is today. A old-fashioned word, magnanimity, probably best expresses what is needed here. Wikipedia defines it this way:
Magnanimity (derived from the Latin roots magn- great, and animus, mind, literally means greatly generous) is the virtue of being great of mind and heart. It encompasses, usually, a refusal to be petty, a willingness to face danger, and actions for noble purposes.
Bill Gates was magnanimous to its competitor Apple, when Microsoft was at the top and Apple down, because, as Wikipedia notes, "One form of magnanimity is the generosity of the victor to the defeated." Unfortunately, Apple doesn't seem to be able to display a similar attitude now that it is at the top. It wants to use every legal pretext possible to beat down its competitors. No generosity. Not even much good sense. In ten years, perhaps even five, Apple could be again down.
Those who'd like to know more might read The Abolition of Man by C. S. Lewis. He writes on the classic view that the chest, the seat of virtues such as courage and magnanimity, should provide a bond between a head that can get too abstract and cerebral and a gut, which can be too driven by irrational passions. And he criticized modern society for not building people with those virtues, writing:
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."
Apple, with all its lawsuits, seems to be dominated by what Lewis called "chestless men."
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 07:40 AM
Inkling, on 23 July 2012 - 06:52 AM, said:
Apple seems to have forgotten how generous Bill Gates was in 1997 when he appeared on-screen at MacWorld, promising to invest $150 million in Apple and maintain Microsoft Office on the Mac. Wired even referred to the result as "Apple Rescued--by Microsoft."
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Wow, what a bunch of irrelevant hogwash.
Microsoft didn't "save" Apple because they were feeling magnanimous, they helped Apple because they felt it was necessary, as the DOJ was breathing down their neck.
Suing people to defend your property is your right. If you're a public business, then defending your property is your duty to your shareholders. I own Apple shares and if Apple didn't defend its property, I would have every right to sue Apple for failing to defend my property.
If Apple were in the right, then hopefully the justice system will vindicate them and if they were in the wrong, I hope the system will put them in their place.
Since Apple doesn't make its own 3G transmission chips, I don't see why Apple needs to negotiate 3G patent licenses with the likes of Motorola and Samsung. The chip makers already have licenses that include their customers.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 08:08 AM
Inkling, on 23 July 2012 - 06:52 AM, said:
Apple seems to have forgotten how generous Bill Gates was in 1997 when he appeared on-screen at MacWorld, promising to invest $150 million in Apple and maintain Microsoft Office on the Mac. Wired even referred to the result as "Apple Rescued--by Microsoft."
Our characters are tested at the extremes: when we're going down like Apple was in 1997, and when we're up, rich and powerful like Apple is today. A old-fashioned word, magnanimity, probably best expresses what is needed here. Wikipedia defines it this way:
Magnanimity (derived from the Latin roots magn- great, and animus, mind, literally means greatly generous) is the virtue of being great of mind and heart. It encompasses, usually, a refusal to be petty, a willingness to face danger, and actions for noble purposes.
Bill Gates was magnanimous to its competitor Apple, when Microsoft was at the top and Apple down, because, as Wikipedia notes, "One form of magnanimity is the generosity of the victor to the defeated." Unfortunately, Apple doesn't seem to be able to display a similar attitude now that it is at the top. It wants to use every legal pretext possible to beat down its competitors. No generosity. Not even much good sense. In ten years, perhaps even five, Apple could be again down.
Those who'd like to know more might read The Abolition of Man by C. S. Lewis. He writes on the classic view that the chest, the seat of virtues such as courage and magnanimity, should provide a bond between a head that can get too abstract and cerebral and a gut, which can be too driven by irrational passions. And he criticized modern society for not building people with those virtues, writing:
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."
Apple, with all its lawsuits, seems to be dominated by what Lewis called "chestless men."
Our characters are tested at the extremes: when we're going down like Apple was in 1997, and when we're up, rich and powerful like Apple is today. A old-fashioned word, magnanimity, probably best expresses what is needed here. Wikipedia defines it this way:
Magnanimity (derived from the Latin roots magn- great, and animus, mind, literally means greatly generous) is the virtue of being great of mind and heart. It encompasses, usually, a refusal to be petty, a willingness to face danger, and actions for noble purposes.
Bill Gates was magnanimous to its competitor Apple, when Microsoft was at the top and Apple down, because, as Wikipedia notes, "One form of magnanimity is the generosity of the victor to the defeated." Unfortunately, Apple doesn't seem to be able to display a similar attitude now that it is at the top. It wants to use every legal pretext possible to beat down its competitors. No generosity. Not even much good sense. In ten years, perhaps even five, Apple could be again down.
Those who'd like to know more might read The Abolition of Man by C. S. Lewis. He writes on the classic view that the chest, the seat of virtues such as courage and magnanimity, should provide a bond between a head that can get too abstract and cerebral and a gut, which can be too driven by irrational passions. And he criticized modern society for not building people with those virtues, writing:
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."
Apple, with all its lawsuits, seems to be dominated by what Lewis called "chestless men."
Ironic given that Bill Gate's penchant for IP related legal action is perhaps the thing he and Microsoft was most noted for in the early days.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 08:11 AM
Inkling, on 23 July 2012 - 06:52 AM, said:
Apple seems to have forgotten how generous Bill Gates was in 1997 when he appeared on-screen at MacWorld, promising to invest $150 million in Apple and maintain Microsoft Office on the Mac. Wired even referred to the result as "Apple Rescued--by Microsoft."
Our characters are tested at the extremes: when we're going down like Apple was in 1997, and when we're up, rich and powerful like Apple is today. A old-fashioned word, magnanimity, probably best expresses what is needed here. Wikipedia defines it this way:
Magnanimity (derived from the Latin roots magn- great, and animus, mind, literally means greatly generous) is the virtue of being great of mind and heart. It encompasses, usually, a refusal to be petty, a willingness to face danger, and actions for noble purposes.
Bill Gates was magnanimous to its competitor Apple, when Microsoft was at the top and Apple down, because, as Wikipedia notes, "One form of magnanimity is the generosity of the victor to the defeated." Unfortunately, Apple doesn't seem to be able to display a similar attitude now that it is at the top. It wants to use every legal pretext possible to beat down its competitors. No generosity. Not even much good sense. In ten years, perhaps even five, Apple could be again down.
Those who'd like to know more might read The Abolition of Man by C. S. Lewis. He writes on the classic view that the chest, the seat of virtues such as courage and magnanimity, should provide a bond between a head that can get too abstract and cerebral and a gut, which can be too driven by irrational passions. And he criticized modern society for not building people with those virtues, writing:
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."
Apple, with all its lawsuits, seems to be dominated by what Lewis called "chestless men."
Our characters are tested at the extremes: when we're going down like Apple was in 1997, and when we're up, rich and powerful like Apple is today. A old-fashioned word, magnanimity, probably best expresses what is needed here. Wikipedia defines it this way:
Magnanimity (derived from the Latin roots magn- great, and animus, mind, literally means greatly generous) is the virtue of being great of mind and heart. It encompasses, usually, a refusal to be petty, a willingness to face danger, and actions for noble purposes.
Bill Gates was magnanimous to its competitor Apple, when Microsoft was at the top and Apple down, because, as Wikipedia notes, "One form of magnanimity is the generosity of the victor to the defeated." Unfortunately, Apple doesn't seem to be able to display a similar attitude now that it is at the top. It wants to use every legal pretext possible to beat down its competitors. No generosity. Not even much good sense. In ten years, perhaps even five, Apple could be again down.
Those who'd like to know more might read The Abolition of Man by C. S. Lewis. He writes on the classic view that the chest, the seat of virtues such as courage and magnanimity, should provide a bond between a head that can get too abstract and cerebral and a gut, which can be too driven by irrational passions. And he criticized modern society for not building people with those virtues, writing:
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."
Apple, with all its lawsuits, seems to be dominated by what Lewis called "chestless men."
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 08:21 AM
lphysics, on 23 July 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:
Inkling, on 23 July 2012 - 06:52 AM, said:
Apple seems to have forgotten how generous Bill Gates was in 1997 when he appeared on-screen at MacWorld, promising to invest $150 million in Apple and maintain Microsoft Office on the Mac. Wired even referred to the result as "Apple Rescued--by Microsoft."
Our characters are tested at the extremes: when we're going down like Apple was in 1997, and when we're up, rich and powerful like Apple is today. A old-fashioned word, magnanimity, probably best expresses what is needed here. Wikipedia defines it this way:
Magnanimity (derived from the Latin roots magn- great, and animus, mind, literally means greatly generous) is the virtue of being great of mind and heart. It encompasses, usually, a refusal to be petty, a willingness to face danger, and actions for noble purposes.
Bill Gates was magnanimous to its competitor Apple, when Microsoft was at the top and Apple down, because, as Wikipedia notes, "One form of magnanimity is the generosity of the victor to the defeated." Unfortunately, Apple doesn't seem to be able to display a similar attitude now that it is at the top. It wants to use every legal pretext possible to beat down its competitors. No generosity. Not even much good sense. In ten years, perhaps even five, Apple could be again down.
Those who'd like to know more might read The Abolition of Man by C. S. Lewis. He writes on the classic view that the chest, the seat of virtues such as courage and magnanimity, should provide a bond between a head that can get too abstract and cerebral and a gut, which can be too driven by irrational passions. And he criticized modern society for not building people with those virtues, writing:
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."
Apple, with all its lawsuits, seems to be dominated by what Lewis called "chestless men."
Our characters are tested at the extremes: when we're going down like Apple was in 1997, and when we're up, rich and powerful like Apple is today. A old-fashioned word, magnanimity, probably best expresses what is needed here. Wikipedia defines it this way:
Magnanimity (derived from the Latin roots magn- great, and animus, mind, literally means greatly generous) is the virtue of being great of mind and heart. It encompasses, usually, a refusal to be petty, a willingness to face danger, and actions for noble purposes.
Bill Gates was magnanimous to its competitor Apple, when Microsoft was at the top and Apple down, because, as Wikipedia notes, "One form of magnanimity is the generosity of the victor to the defeated." Unfortunately, Apple doesn't seem to be able to display a similar attitude now that it is at the top. It wants to use every legal pretext possible to beat down its competitors. No generosity. Not even much good sense. In ten years, perhaps even five, Apple could be again down.
Those who'd like to know more might read The Abolition of Man by C. S. Lewis. He writes on the classic view that the chest, the seat of virtues such as courage and magnanimity, should provide a bond between a head that can get too abstract and cerebral and a gut, which can be too driven by irrational passions. And he criticized modern society for not building people with those virtues, writing:
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."
Apple, with all its lawsuits, seems to be dominated by what Lewis called "chestless men."
What a crock! How many times does the "Microsoft bails out Apple" story need to be debunked? In truth, Bill Gates wasn't being "magnanimous", he'd been caught with his hand in the cookie jar and was threatened with a massive lawsuit. Microsoft was caught with QuickTime code in their new Video for Windows software. Jobs and Gates worked a deal that would guarantee Office for Mac for the next 5 years in exchange for Apple dropping the lawsuit. To add further incentive for Microsoft to do everything in their power to insure Apple's continued success they were required to purchase $150 million of Apple stock and hold it for the 5 years. They, of course, made millions when it was sold later. BTW, Apple had over a billion dollars in cash at the time. Microsoft's investment was symbolic not life saving. Do a little research!
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