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"But Apple also says it doesn’t know exactly the implementation of the standards in its baseband chips, which are made by Qualcomm and Intel. Samsung is working to obtain the source code from those manufacturers to see how those chips function to try and prove its infringement case."

Um... so, Samsung is basically saying they're not sure if Apple's products are using the patent that Samsung LICENSED TO CHIP MANUFACTURERS under FRAND terms, which in turn Apple is covered under as a customer for those chips.

Smart, Samsung. Keep digging that grave a little deeper.

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And if there is infringement in that instance then Samsung needs to take it up with Intel and/or Qualcomm not Apple.
To me it seems obvious that these points need to be discovered prior to a lawsuit being filed, it is a perfect example of a waste of time, energy and money, mostly the taxpayer's money!

I do like the "hot tub" process, that seems a worthwhile way to question the "experts".

Nasty. If I were a stockholder in either Apple or Samsung, I'd file a lawsuit demanding that all the leading executives in both companies be fired for incompetence. Neither company seems to be run by adults. Both are acting like third-grade boys on a playground.

"Your momma wears army boots"

"Well your momma don't wear no shoes at all"

"Not so."

"Is so"

And so forth.

Apple and Samsung need to settle their differences out of court.

And the two judges in the case aren't helping matters by letting Apple bring almost everything it wants into the courtroom and excluding critical Samsung evidence. That makes it almost certain this childish playground squabble will drag on into an appeal court and annoy us for years.

Inkling, on 08 August 2012 - 06:11 AM, said:

Well they tried that already when Steve Jobs was alive. I believe there were 3 (4?) meetings where Apple invited Samsung reps to Apple, and explained to them that they were not happy with them stealing their IP incl. Patents and Trade Dress, and to stop. Apple showed them specifically which ones to "avoid going into court" over. Samsung shrugged, and said, "do what ya have to do".

That's exactly what led us to this lawsuit.

BTW: even Google warned Samsung about their designs being too close to their Apple "equivalents". Go figure. Samsung called Apple's bluff, to find out is not a bluff at all. In fact Apple is doing a "Royal Flush" on Samsung at the moment. Pun intended!

This post has been edited by ThePixelDoc: 08 August 2012 - 06:58 AM

johndrake, on 08 August 2012 - 05:47 AM, said:

Hasn't Samsung already "taken this up" with Qualcomm? The chip infringes or not, based on who you are.

Sometime back, Samsung demanded a change to the Qualcom pass-through license so as to cover only purchasers OTHER THAN APPLE.
The FRAND rate is paid within the cost of the chip only for ordinary buyers (individuals, Microsoft, RIM, Google/Motorola, HTC, etc.).

Fair Reasonable and NonDiscriminatory means something yet to be defined if the sale is to Apple.

Perhaps annoying us for years to come is the point.

Inkling, on 08 August 2012 - 06:11 AM, said:

Lochias, on 08 August 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

Ah, this is obviously some strange usage of the word "non-discriminatory" that I wasn't previously aware of.

Lochias, on 08 August 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

At least they are better than Motorola/Google who revokes your FRAND license if you sue them over their infringement of non-FRAND patents.

So, what was the typo? If this article can't report that due to constraints of some kind, wouldn't it be better to retitle the story?