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[DogHouseDub]

talk about change for the sake of change. Way too much of this creeping into the Mac OS.

[tfrogh]

This is disheartening. As a Graphics Professional, I use Save As all the time. We save our files in versions throughout the day...101, 102, 103, etc. Mainly so if the file comes corrupted or something is accidentally changed and not caught, we can easily go back. We have also moved to using Time Machine to back-up 1-3 times a day. It sucks down too much performance to run more often. Anyone with Fusion or Parallels knows what I am talking about. A 30-50GB Virtual Machine takes forever to back-up. Even worse if you use a Time Capsule or OS X Server network TimeMachine drive. Yes, we could exclude the VM, but then we are screwed when an update in Windows kills the VM.

We will keep buying Used and Refurb Macs that can run Snow Leopard. It Just Works!!! Getting harder to do with Laptops and iMacs but thankfully they took so long to tweak the Mac Pro, 99% of the Mac Pros that have been sold by Apple can run Snow Leopard.

[russwittmann]

free solution http://www.tuaw.com/...ly-and-without/

[StevenHiatt]

I'm an editor. I use Save As all the time. This seems like a half-baked HI change in favor of some abstract idea about how people should work, rather than how they actually work. (Did someone fire all Apple's experienced Human Interface folks? I used to work with them, and I can't believe they'd go for this.)

Or did Apple hire Rube Goldberg away from Microsoft (after his long career working on Windows interface design)?

[nicholas4]

Are you frickin' kidding me!?

[Chris Breen]

russwittmann, on 08 August 2012 - 09:16 AM, said:

free solution http://www.tuaw.com/...ly-and-without/

It's a nice idea, but it doesn't bring back the Save As functionality of old.

[ibrewster]

I, for one, like the new system - even as it existed in Lion. No longer do I have to worry about saving my changes, or losing my changes should something happen (or I forget to save). If I want to try a radical departure, I can just do it - no need to do a save as, leaving me with multiple copies of a file. Don't like it? I can easily revert not only all the way back to where I started, but to ANY point along the way - a HUGE plus over the old system. Not to mention the ability to copy portions of previous versions into the current one without having to revert all the way back to the previous version. I have yet to come across one situation in which I miss the save as functionality. BTW, I'm a programmer, so I'm CONSTANTLY trying concepts that may or may not work - having to use save as to store multiple versions of the files I was working on (if I wasn't using a version control system already) was a pain. Actually, what I typically ended up doing was using time machine to go back to a previous revision rather than using save as anyway - much less chance of confusion. The new system is WAY better for this.

[JosephLastowka]

My law office has used "save as" to identify document revisions since software for the original Mac was first available in 1984 or shortly thereafter. This is a very disturbing change. We won't be upgrading until "save as" is available as we know it.

I agree that "This seems like a half-baked HI change in favor of some abstract idea about how people should work, rather than how they actually work".

[RaeHolmen]

Boo, hiss.

[scott2si]

Welcome to post-Steve Apple. No more quality control at Apple.

[VeryOldMacGuy]

Way to go, Apple! Keep this up, and soon you'll be just as good as Windows.

[bastion]

DogHouseDub, on 08 August 2012 - 09:09 AM, said:

talk about change for the sake of change. Way too much of this creeping into the Mac OS.

I don't think that phrase means what you think it means. That would imply that the change was made without intent or expectation of a tangible benefit. I submit they they did intend and expect it, and also that they achieved it.

[ctwise]

Apple switched to an automatic save system with versions. That solved the problem that the majority of the planet didn't have a solution for - getting back to a version of your document before you removed content you decided you actually wanted or the version of the document before you made those changes you didn't actually want.

What people are complaining about is that their system of creating manual save-points doesn't work the same any more. What those people would do was create new versions of their documents, e.g., doc1.doc, doc2.doc, doc2a.doc, etc. Congratulations, Apple has removed that burden from you. Did you forget to create a manual save point? The automatic save has you covered.

But wait, they broke Save As, didn't they? No, they didn't. Save As doesn't work independently of automatic saves. They're still going on. When you choose to Save As you're saving the document with a new name. That's it. Not creating a manual save point. You want to create an experimental document for test changes? No problem. Do Save As and make those changes. If you make them first, you're changing the original. When you Save As all of those automatic saves _have already happened_. Save As doesn't magically make them go away. It's working as designed. It's working the way any rational human being would want it to. But, again, if you hate that, fine, Save As before you start making your experimental changes, not after.