[RadarGeek]

I have cannot believe that I am writing this. I am a long time user of Apple products. Think Apple ][ plus 1980. From then until now Apple built products that were not confined to exist in side of a restrictive box. A big part of owning an Apple was the ability to customize and change the interface to suit you wants. Were there problems of course there were. In the end the computer remained backwards compatible and a useful tool. It seems to me that Apple has lost that view. Rather that allow the computer be a personal environment, they want us all to be the same. I have even heard that with sand boxing, icons of applications cannot be changed for fear of loosing their ability to be updated.
The ios for the iPhone and the iPad are breakthrough achievements. I have both, BUT I do not want my Desktop or Laptop to be saddled with the limitations of that system. I feel these devices are great to stay connected or play some light games, but to do real work I still need a real computer. Don’t reduce us to simple app users. I just updated to Mountain Lion the other day, It feels more like Windows than anything Apple ever produced. In other words its crap. It has locked up on me more than once per day. With each update I loose applications that operate. On a Scale of one to 5 this direction and operating system get a zero. I read this comment in this very magazine “If you don’t want to upgrade to Macs new OS then you don’t want to use a Mac…..

This post has been edited by RadarGeek: 11 August 2012 - 05:56 PM

[macnuke]

cool story bro'. I feel for ya.

now.... care to post specifics?
I run most all the OSs on my selection of Macs.

so... specifics?

[RadarGeek]

Ok let’s start with Lion
What did Lion add to the Mac experience? We got launch pad, App Store basically a few Apps that were nice but really didn’t improve productivity. What we lost access to our .me/.mac accounts, with the requirement that computers must have 4 Gig of memory to be upgraded. Why? Not sure but OS 10.7 does not require that to run. I had to purchase a new lap top for my wife if she wanted to keep her .me account, as she did not have 4 Gig of memory. She uses her computer for eMail, to print coupons and light internet browsing. So what did I loose? By abandoning Rosetta I lost all of my PPC programs. Which included many games but also the version of Adobe CS I was using. So the free .me account will take about 24 years to pay for itself taking into account just CS and a new computer. Overall I would call that a loss.
Next we update to Mountain Lion.
What does this upgrade bring to the table? Well we got Chat, which is riddled with bugs and unstable. When my wife and I tried using it, we were never sure weather or messages reached each other. We ended up sending the same text multiple times. This in my book is an addition that was not ready and basically crap. In addition when I am using iTunes I have had multiple crashes. The Screensaver seems to be crashing on a regular basis. An because I loaded from the App (crap) Store I have no way of reverting back to an OS that was at least stable.
All in all if I were running a company that distributed products that required multiple uploads to become a stable platform I would call it Microsoft. This is not the performance that I expect from Apple.

[bastion]

RadarGeek, on 12 August 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

Ok let’s start with Lion
What did Lion add to the Mac experience? We got launch pad, App Store basically a few Apps that were nice but really didn’t improve productivity. What we lost access to our .me/.mac accounts, with the requirement that computers must have 4 Gig of memory to be upgraded. Why?

I don't know where you saw or heard that but it's not true. It doesn't even make sense.

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Not sure but OS 10.7 does not require that to run. I had to purchase a new lap top for my wife if she wanted to keep her .me account, as she did not have 4 Gig of memory. She uses her computer for eMail, to print coupons and light internet browsing. So what did I loose? By abandoning Rosetta I lost all of my PPC programs.

Did you know that Apple doesn't own the core translation technology that Rosetta relied on? Did you know that the company that does own it now refuses to license it for use in a PPC->x86 translator?

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Which included many games but also the version of Adobe CS I was using. So the free .me account will take about 24 years to pay for itself taking into account just CS and a new computer. Overall I would call that a loss.

You were still relying on a version of creative suite that was at least 7 years old? Doesn't that amortize to like $50 per year? And if you use it for business isn't the price deductible?

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Next we update to Mountain Lion.
What does this upgrade bring to the table? Well we got Chat, which is riddled with bugs and unstable. When my wife and I tried using it, we were never sure weather or messages reached each other. We ended up sending the same text multiple times. This in my book is an addition that was not ready and basically crap. In addition when I am using iTunes I have had multiple crashes. The Screensaver seems to be crashing on a regular basis. An because I loaded from the App (crap) Store I have no way of reverting back to an OS that was at least stable.
All in all if I were running a company that distributed products that required multiple uploads to become a stable platform I would call it Microsoft. This is not the performance that I expect from Apple.

This is also not the typical experience. And why don't you have a way to revert back to a prior OS? Don't you have a backup?

[cowduo]

I can't believe I am writing this post either. My family owns six Macs and drawers full of iPhones. I upgraded to Mountain Lion because Lion was so staggeringly buggy. Lion broke a pile of software, including Fusion, Adobe CS, QuickBooks, etc. I had to buy a pile of upgrades. Mountain Lion is worse. It broke my Wacom tablet. Permanently broke Fusion 3. Two HUGE failures: It broke internet access. It has a 99% failure rate. Most loads are too slow to work at all. It is NOT NOT NOT they hardware or the ISP. I run Fusion on the same iMAC 23" (Had to buy Fusion 4) with Windows XP and using IE internet works perfectly. Also works perfectly from older wireless laptops. Internet failure includes Safari, Chrome and Firefox. Second HUGE failure: cursors vanish. Both the Apple mouse and Wacom cursors regularly vanish, and also don't work at all upon login. I have to quit and restart Word and Photoshop every few minutes to get my cursor back. There are other annoying bugs, too, like file windows do not display correctly. Drag and drop fails.

Mountain Lion is unusable on a i7-core iMac. DO NOT INSTALL THIS OS.

[bastion]

cowduo, on 16 August 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

I can't believe I am writing this post either. My family owns six Macs and drawers full of iPhones. I upgraded to Mountain Lion because Lion was so staggeringly buggy. Lion broke a pile of software, including Fusion, Adobe CS, QuickBooks, etc. I had to buy a pile of upgrades. Mountain Lion is worse. It broke my Wacom tablet. Permanently broke Fusion 3. Two HUGE failures: It broke internet access. It has a 99% failure rate. Most loads are too slow to work at all. It is NOT NOT NOT they hardware or the ISP. I run Fusion on the same iMAC 23" (Had to buy Fusion 4) with Windows XP and using IE internet works perfectly. Also works perfectly from older wireless laptops. Internet failure includes Safari, Chrome and Firefox. Second HUGE failure: cursors vanish. Both the Apple mouse and Wacom cursors regularly vanish, and also don't work at all upon login. I have to quit and restart Word and Photoshop every few minutes to get my cursor back. There are other annoying bugs, too, like file windows do not display correctly. Drag and drop fails.

Mountain Lion is unusable on a i7-core iMac. DO NOT INSTALL THIS OS.

Correction: Mountain Lion as installed on *that* Core i7 iMac is unusable. You should make an effort to figure out why, because Lion was not staggeringly buggy and Mountain Lion runs fine on Core 2 Duo machines. None of what you describe is anything like a normal experience.