[orsino4]

The warm and fuzzy phrase "free upgrade" is clearly absent from Apple's announcement of Jaguar. Having purchased a new Mac two months ago, I'm not too thrilled about the prospect of having to pay for an upgrade so soon. Then again, if the performance is so much better I should have to pay, right?

Anyway, does anyone know where the magic line between free upgrade and purchased upgrade might fall? With the announcement out already, it would be insane to ask someone buying a new Mac tomorrow to pay for the upgrade. Otherwise purchases would grind to a halt until fall. How about a Mac purchased yesterday? Last month?

Does Apple have a policy for this? Historical precedent?

Thanks.

[Nobody]

Yeah ... what the heck is going on here? I am stationed at OS X (10.1.4) and I'm expecting regular free updates to the OS via the software update feature.

Now what exactly is Jaguar? Is it an upgrade, like OS X (10.5), or is it something more like OS X (10.2)?

This is really confusing ... can someone clarify what is going on here? images/icons/confused.gif

[Nobody]

I hope they ignore some of the precendents they set with 10.1 and make life a little less hectic for us by distributing the update far and wide.

As for price, if you ordered 10.1, it was $20, but I think this is going to be a much larger upgrade, so I'm expecting a much higher price. I dunno how high, but I would think that it's not going to be free. They've obvioulsy put a ton of work into 10.2.

Late summer for Apple usually means the last day of the season, so we'll have plenty of time to think about it.

[Nobody]

My guess is they have avoided the use of a specific version number for Jaguar, as they are still trying to decide all of that.

It will probably also take into account if they are able to include all of the features intended by the ship date.

If they go with the 10.2 convention, my guess is they will charge, however many recent owners may be offered an upgrade price.

If they go with 10.5, my guess is everybody will pay $99 regardless if they already own 10.1 or not.

[Nobody]

Jaguar will not be OS X 10.2. Read Apple's page carefully (or not so carefully). They go out of their way to never call it 10.2. It's Jaguar, the "next major upgrade" to OS X. My guess is that Jaguar is going to be called OS X 10.5.

Historical precedent has been that single-dot upgrades (9.0 -> 9.1, 8.0 -> 8.1) have been either free or very low cost. Anything greater than .1 (8.1 -> 8.5) have been something closer to full price (I think I paid full price for 8.1 and 8.5).

I think we'll end up paying between $50 and $100 for the upgrade to 10.5. I may be wrong, but that's my guess. Apple may also be gauging public reaction over the next few months before setting final pricing (they should; they need to find the sweet spot where almost everyone will upgrade).

As for historical coverage, it can vary between three and six months, typically. New machines should come with upgrade coupons as well, although how those will be utilized is certainly not yet known.

This will not be a free download, and unlike 10.1, it won't be free at the local Apple store, either. Only time will tell how much money it will cost, and how many CDs it will come with -- the WWDC attendees received six of them (two for client, two for server, and I think two for dev tools?).

-rob.

[Nobody]

I hope it won't be too much money...I can't afford spending $100+ unless this is a major major (and I mean major) update. images/icons/frown.gif

I'm hoping that Apple will give us 10.1 users a chance to upgrade for $20 again. That worked really well the last time for me.

[Nobody]

Anything anyone says about pricing for Jaguar at this point is pure speculation, so I am going to leave that issue to rumor sites.

[Nobody]

But of course it is ... heck, we need something to do for the next four months! ;-)

-rob.

[Nobody]

I concur. images/icons/grin.gif

[Nobody]

Don't question the word of a mod!! images/icons/wink.gif

[Nobody]

What griffman has speculated makes a lot of sense, based on factual history if prior Mac OSes. I'll bet that it is a 10.5 release and it's gonna cost us $79 bucks!

Besides, "mods" are "gods", right? images/icons/rolleyes.gif

[ 05-07-2002: Message edited by: MarinerOne ]

[Nobody]

I'm betting its going to be $99. Remember how much we had to pay just for OS 9.1 just because...wait for it...it was "Featuring Sherlock 2"? Now this update is going to be featuring the Watson-like Sherlock 3, a rewritten and fully-threaded Finder, iChat, Quartz Extreme (fancy name for just offloading all those calls to the graphics chip), QuickTime 6 (I think the legal woes are what's holding up the whole update), spring-loaded folders plus a horde of bug fixes.

Sounds like a lot of work to me. Be prepared to pay for it.

[ 05-07-2002: Message edited by: NuclearPizza ]

[Nobody]

Mods are gods? Nah, not even close ... we can walk on water, levitate automobiles and other heavy objects just by thinking about it, type 2,500 words per minute with zero typos, stop urban decay and suburban blight with ease, and walk and chew gum at the same time, but we are not gods ;-).

If we were, we could figure out how to get Jaguar for free today!

-rob.

[ 05-07-2002: Message edited by: griffman ]

[Nobody]

"Jaguar will not be OS X 10.2. Read Apple's page carefully (or not so carefully). They go out of their way to never call it 10.2. It's Jaguar, the "next major upgrade" to OS X. My guess is that Jaguar is going to be called OS X 10.5."

But those "leaked" builds floating around have all been called 10.2. So is apple just going to call this "10.5" without ever releasing anything called 10.2, 10.3, or 10.4? If this is the case, who or what is to draw the line between a "major update" and a full upgrade? I paid $79 for OS 10.1, because I'm a student. Will I be forced to pay $100 (more than the original OS cost me) or will apple offer a discount for educational users?

Oh and btw dOOd, jokes like that make me throw up. images/icons/rolleyes.gif