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Time Machine - I tried to trash some old backups It seemed like a good idea at the time : (

#1 User is offline   Alan 

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 06:49 AM

I was about to run Techtool Pro on my external drive for the first time and I thought I would delete a few of the earliest time Machine backups to make the work of Techtool faster, because it can take a long time to defrag etc. The idea (of running TTP) being to speed up Time Machine. Now I realize the folly of this idea, but when I did it it seemed like a good idea. : (

I was doing this on my wife's laptop MBP 216 Ghz Intel Core Duo running 10.6.8 with 4 Gb 667 Mhz DDR2 SDRAM. The external HD is a 500 GB Griffen FW.

The internal HD has 3.9 GB of space left and I am unable to delete the Backup files from the trash and unable to transfer them back to the external HD from where they came. I get a dialogue box that says "The operation can't be completed because an unexpected error occurred (error code - 8003)". I get the option of "Stop" or "Continue".

What are my options?

This post has been edited by Alan: 28 October 2012 - 06:54 AM

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1TB ext. HD for current Time Machine (510.87 Gb) and 2nd partition contains Super Duper @225.62 GB
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 04:38 AM

View PostAlan, on 28 October 2012 - 06:49 AM, said:

I was about to run Techtool Pro on my external drive for the first time and I thought I would delete a few of the earliest time Machine backups to make the work of Techtool faster, because it can take a long time to defrag etc. The idea (of running TTP) being to speed up Time Machine. Now I realize the folly of this idea, but when I did it it seemed like a good idea. : (

I was doing this on my wife's laptop MBP 216 Ghz Intel Core Duo running 10.6.8 with 4 Gb 667 Mhz DDR2 SDRAM. The external HD is a 500 GB Griffen FW.

The internal HD has 3.9 GB of space left and I am unable to delete the Backup files from the trash and unable to transfer them back to the external HD from where they came. I get a dialogue box that says "The operation can't be completed because an unexpected error occurred (error code - 8003)". I get the option of "Stop" or "Continue".

What are my options?


There are some suggestions listed in this article:
http://reviews.cnet....020873-263.html

In section 2, you're only interested in the last command shown.

sudo rm -rf /Volumes/Macintosh\ HD/.Trashes

Replace the "Macintosh\ HD" with the name of your external drive. Precede any spaces in the name with backslashes. And it's probably a good idea to disable Time Machine for the duration of this task.

In case you don't understand *why* this idea was folly: Unless you're in the habit of making manual changes to the disk, there's no reason a Time Machine drive should exhibit any noticeable amount of fragmentation in the first place. The free space in particular shouldn't be fragmented. I think in your case I'd take a step back and take a closer look at the motivation. What makes you want Time Machine to be faster? It it taking a really exceptionally long time, or is it taking an acceptable amount of time but having an unacceptable impact on the system performance, or is it just a matter of principle?

If it's taking longer than you think it should, you might want to use a program like Backup Loupe (http://www.soma-zone.com/BackupLoupe/) to make sure that what you should be backed up is. Perhaps you'll find large, frequently changing files that aren't critical. Perhaps there's a folder you meant to exclude but forgot.

If the system impact is a problem...well, I'm not sure what to say. I've *seen* it, but it's a relatively rare problem and I don't know what causes it. My Core 2 Duo mini works fine with a FW drive. My mother's somewhat newer machine works fine with a USB 2 device. My wife's Core i7 notebook with SSD (and the Core 2 Duo that preceded it) are terrible going to multiple drives with each of those interfaces. Barely usable while TM is running, so she just does it manually after she's done each day.

If you just want it faster on the grounds that it "should be" faster despite not really impacting you in any noticeable way.... I've got no help there, either. Basically I'd consider that a fool's errand.
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:20 AM

Thanks bastion for the detailed explainantion!

I will read that over till I understand it because I enjoy learning about the computer.

I did use the trash it program and it worked.

This post has been edited by Alan: 01 November 2012 - 10:21 AM

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24" iMac, 2.16 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 3 GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM

2 x iPod Nano 8 Gb 2nd gen.

ipod Touch 8 Gb 2nd gen.

ipod touch 5th gen.

iphone 3rd gen

Griffen 250 Gb backup HD for Lion Recovery and old Time Machine data

1TB ext. HD for current Time Machine (510.87 Gb) and 2nd partition contains Super Duper @225.62 GB
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 01:25 PM

View Postbastion, on 01 November 2012 - 04:38 AM, said:

If the system impact is a problem...well, I'm not sure what to say. I've *seen* it, but it's a relatively rare problem and I don't know what causes it. My Core 2 Duo mini works fine with a FW drive. My mother's somewhat newer machine works fine with a USB 2 device. My wife's Core i7 notebook with SSD (and the Core 2 Duo that preceded it) are terrible going to multiple drives with each of those interfaces. Barely usable while TM is running, so she just does it manually after she's done each day.


I use Time Machine on my 11" Air (2010 model) running Lion to backup to a NAS device over WiFi (I did temporarily upgrade to ML, but had issues with Time Machine not working well with my NAS so I have to research the current firmware upgrade for my NAS before I try it again...also waiting for printer driver support at work). I have noticed what appears to be performance issues when Time Machine runs. It gets slower in general, but I also get some "beach ball of death" periods in some applications while the Time Machine backup runs (the apps show up as "not responding" for period of time, usually a couple of minutes or longer).

I am trying Time Machine Editor to reduce the frequency of the backups. And I am also trying disabling the local snapshots.

It could be something else (it seems that ever since going to Lion, the Air occasionally goes of into "lala land" for short periods of time, in particular in Chrome...this was before I had turned on Time Machine), but we will see. I might also try going to what your Wife does...i.e. manual TM backups (I also fairly frequently clone the drive and other than my email, the main files that change are also actually synced with Dropbox, so I don't really need TM backups every hour).
[soapbox]Back up = good...No back up = bad[/soapbox]
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