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O'Reilly publishes 'Mac Annoyances'

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Posted 10 December 2004 - 09:22 AM

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However, your point was that Apple needs to be careful where it enters a market. The obvious risk is offending a third party developer. I agree to this. My point was that yes, MS was dropping the ball with Explorer. Apple had a choice to either endorse a Gecko based browser or develop their own browser to ensure the Mac Internet experience was first rate. When offering the choice of Safari vs. Explorer, I didn't mention the Gecko based browsers because Safari is not a threat to the opensource community.

So, your choice already assumed that the conclusion that Apple should make their own browser instead of endorsing a Gecko based one. It's that assumption I took issue with.
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I also mentioned how MS declared that future versions of Explorer will be built into Windows rather than as a stand-alone product. I also mentioned how this clearly signals the death of Mac Explorer with or without Safari.

Windows IE and Mac IE used two different rendering engines, so I don't see that as a clear signal of IE for Mac's death.
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As to web standards, there are areas of CSS handling that Safari is apparently ahead and "more accurate", etc.

It handles some CSS shadow tags and whatnot, but still utterly fails some much more basic tests. I'd point them out, but sites that document Safari inadequacies are linked at Dave Hyatt's web log (where he also documents problems and fixes).
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Additionally, there are key features in Safari (like spell checking, etc.) that are not found in Gecko based browsers.

Spellchecking is a bad example.
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However, in some cases, Apple has turned the Mac from being worst to best in a few specific categories. That's been a good thing thus far.

I'll go along with that for the most part, but I'm not sure that Safari has made the Mac best for web surfing (at least from the perspective that it can't handle broken, proprietary web page code which is an unfortunate reality of the web for now).

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Posted 10 December 2004 - 09:29 AM

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As for the rest, how did Safari and VPC jump in there?

They're just as relevant as your original post when it comes to the original subject matter which was this book, which from the sample chapter, discusses common "issues" which are many times user misconception about how things should work. It offers a proper explanation of how things work, sometimes why, and how to accomplish particular tasks which may seem hidden to some users.

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 12:38 AM

Ironically I would have read the sample chapter dOOd, if Safari didn't keep timing out on me /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Firefox is way faster and often more reliable but then has its own distinct bugs. Is there a mechanism for reporting them inside Firefox because I haven't found it yet.
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Posted 11 December 2004 - 10:52 AM

Firefox actually has a crash reporter. If there are other bugs you want to report, you can use Bugzilla.

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 04:31 PM

Thanx dOOd /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Posted 11 December 2004 - 06:13 PM

No problem. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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