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Tiger is Underwhelming and Disappointing

#99 User is offline   d00d Icon

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 06:54 AM

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The Repair Permissions issue. The answer to everything that goes wrong.

It's really not. Some people just think it is.
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Automater [sic] looks promising, but wasn't AppleScript supposed to do all this?

Automator makes what is possible with AppleScript even easier. No code involved. You know, had you stopped by the Automator page, you might have seen this:
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Expand your library by downloading new Actions from third-party developers or create your own using AppleScript.

Automator works on top of AppleScript.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 07:33 AM

If what you are saying was a hard bug and widespread, development on the Mac OS would have ground to a halt a long time ago ...
Explain to me why MacUpdate and VersionTracker are full of new and updated products every day, if the programming and OS are so hosed?
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Posted 22 April 2005 - 07:59 AM

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Don't get me started how clumsy this whole system is, nor how much it sucks for busy designers


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Posted 22 April 2005 - 08:51 AM

I too feel that tiger is underwhelming. I too also desire what Rubaiyat desires. Those all seem far more useful than freekin widgets. my suggestions:
How about better Open Gl implemention. Not just for games, but how about Maya or Cinema 4d. Open GL is crap on macs. its embarrasing given the G5 architecture. I would love to do my 3d work in maya on my g5, its dam impossible now. sluggish updartes, artifacts, incorrect color. and Doom3? 25 fps on a 9800 xt card? LAME-O (yes i know they will mostlikely revise the code for mac, but why shouldthere be a need for special mac tuning. Its "open" GL it shouldn't need to be specialized, it needs to work from the instant its activated.
I'd like to cut and paste files via contextual menus and keyboard commands, not just copy them.
i would like my contextual menus to include send file to email recipient. or the ability to make my own, without having to know apple script.
How about an option to get rid ofthe static menu bar. On dual screen sytems it would make more sense to include them at the top of the window, like windows does. I know its a trademark apple thing, but how awesome would it be to be able to customize your gui like that. I know alot of keyboard commands, and use them, but i would like my menu bar on my windows, or even better yet, contextually!
on that note, How about letting users choose whether the red x close window button globally either closes window, or quits the application.
I want better image previews. Gasp, kinda like windows XP preview. where you open one image in a folder and you can advance to the next via a button onthe bottom of the window. In OSX I have to hilight all images then open them in lame preview. That is not only slow when you have 1000's of images but retarded.
64 bits anyone?
Don't get me wrong, i really do love my mac. and i don't want os x "windowfied" but i do want more productivity. Os x is waaaaay better than my wintel boxes. I just find it insulting that these seemingly simple issues are ignored, and instead we get widgets.
I MEAN WIDGETS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.
I hope those "Core" features will adress some of these graphical issues i have.
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Posted 22 April 2005 - 09:17 AM

Since you're a stranger, I won't go all over the forums here and point to the many OS X shortcuts, tiny freeware apps, etc., that are already in existence for about 90% or your ills.
As far as OpenGL - well, Maya fans sure love the Mac, so ...... ?
Megabyte for Megabyte of RAM on equal processors, well-written games run just as fast on a Mac as a PC - hopefully you aren't blaming the platform for a lazy programmer?
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Posted 22 April 2005 - 09:30 AM

Yeah... almost everything you want is already available.
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Posted 22 April 2005 - 09:34 AM

You have some sort of problem on your Mac.
If you are seeing funny characters, something's deeply wrong,
and this points (to me, anyway) that your other problems may
be related to a corrupted install ...... or ...... ahem ...... applications aquired from perhaps a "grey area."
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Posted 22 April 2005 - 09:46 AM

addmitedly i am rather new to my g5 and os x. That is blaringly apparent. I have happily traded many of my window-ism's for os x. But why do i need 3rd party cogs to add simple features like a contextual "send to"?
No matter how you cut it, Open Gl on Os x is not implemented as well as it should be. I use the word poorly. Everywhere i read, it's a finger pointing contest. Now even here. the developers say apple has hardware penalties for certain function calls. Apple says the code needs to be tuned but doesn't mention the hardware. Ati/nVidia says we are constantly monitoring the situation and making improvements. i just want it to work better.
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Posted 22 April 2005 - 10:21 AM

Apple Menu / Services.
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Posted 22 April 2005 - 10:32 AM

Yep, and you can even make a keyboard shortcut for it, if you like. Or you can just drag and drop the file onto Mail's icon on the dock. Or in the sidebar. Or in the toolbar.
Menus belong at the top of the screen, where they can be easily found. The day they put them inside the window is the day I have to find a new OS, I guess. If you have a big screen, or a dual screen, get DejaMenu (free) and assign it to a spare mouse button. Now I have menus where they make the most sense on ANY screen -- under the mouse.
Tons of similar answers for most of your comments, but yes, you'll have to work a bit to find the right tools.
Windows: Include everything, make it hard to find and use and configure.
Mac: Include a solid set of basics, make it very simple to configure, and let add-ons do the customization work.
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Posted 22 April 2005 - 10:39 AM

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I'd like to cut and paste files via contextual menus and keyboard commands, not just copy them.

There's a very good reason there isn't cut and paste. Let's say you cut a file. Now, instead of pasting it at the location, you copy some text. Boom, the file is deleted without confirmation. Ugh.
How about instead, if you haven't pasted it yet and you copy something else, it restores the file to the original location? Well, then you've just made the operation of the OS terribly inconsistent (sometimes cut is permanent, sometimes it's not).
Apple neither wants some rather destructive behavior unchecked or have an inconsistent mode of operation.
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i would like my contextual menus to include send file to email recipient. or the ability to make my own, without having to know apple script.

Drag and drop the file on Mail's icon in the dock.
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How about an option to get rid ofthe static menu bar. On dual screen sytems it would make more sense to include them at the top of the window, like windows does. I know its a trademark apple thing, but how awesome would it be to be able to customize your gui like that.

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I know alot of keyboard commands, and use them, but i would like my menu bar on my windows, or even better yet, contextually!

DejaMenu

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on that note, How about letting users choose whether the red x close window button globally either closes window, or quits the application.


Adopting the Windows program paradigm? It's possible for them to enforce a close last window initiate's program quit, but that's a Windows mode of thinking. I don't think they want to go there.

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I want better image previews. Gasp, kinda like windows XP preview. where you open one image in a folder and you can advance to the next via a button onthe bottom of the window. In OSX I have to hilight all images then open them in lame preview. That is not only slow when you have 1000's of images but retarded.


I usually just put the Finder in Icon mode, turn on icon preview, and make the icon size large. shrug

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64 bits anyone?


What about it?
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and i don't want os x "windowfied"

Could have fooled me with a "send" context menu, menu bars tied to windows, closing a window to quit an application, etc.
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I MEAN WIDGETS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.

It's funny how everyone keeps trying to reduce the changes and improvements in Tiger to simply Dashboard.

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 11:42 AM

Thanks for turning me onto Dejamenu, that is the best thing i have heard all week. I all of a sudden don't mind having the menu bar fixed.
I don't understand your point about the cut paste for files. If i cut a different object without executing a paste command from a previous cut, the os should fuggetaboutit and work with me. no corruption, no lost files, just don't do anything and move on. Or, dare I say it, let there be more than one clipboard. one for files, one for text. I have never lost a file in windows cutting it, not pasting it and then cutting text.
As far as draggin the item on to the dock. Sure, i can do that. I actually use the voice commands over the dock. I have it hidden and really dont use it much, cept the occasional trash dump. I like calling items up by voice command, it works very well for me. I also use expose alot. Very good stuff. I say music, bam my music is up, i say open document X, Doc X opens up. I say hardrive....
I really dont want OS X windowfied, by that i mean all the crap that comes with windows as an os. i would like to tune os x to my preference though. i can list a few a couple apps that quit after the red x is clicked. like apple's system prefs or toast. I would just like the option.
As far as image previews are concerned, i still think Preview sucks. its very slow when loading alot of images. I prefer not to have enourmous icons either. When i turn up the size they all crowd each other and i cant read the descriptions or file names. In my work (animation, editing, compositing, print layout) i have alot of similar looking images that are indistinguishable in icon mode. In windows land, if i am looking for a frame or set of frames, i go to where i think it might be, pop one open and advance to where i need to be. In apple land, i gotta hilight a range, wait for preveiw to open them all, and wait for the slow side bar to load them and wait for it to scroll. if its not in my range i gotta start over.
I think everyone keeps refering to the dashboard mostly is because its not what people have been asking for. Yet thats all apple seems to be proud of. Oh and spotlight, yay. I may be in the minority here, but i know where all my files are already. Except for specific frames in a 1500 frame animation, for you smart ass's waiting to pounce on that point. Spotlight isn't going to tell me anything about frame composition.
oh and it would be nice if the entire computer, hardware, OS, software was fully utilizing the 64 bit architecture it brags about. instead of a few parts and peices. I think apple is misleading when they describe their 64 bit architecture.
After considering ya'lls response i understand that my requests for buttons and menus and things are personal in nature and are probably best left to 3rd party developers. im cool with that.
My biggest beef I guess is the open gl thing. It is my belief, that a TTL mac should hands down blow away any TTL pc regarding any task. this is true in 2d imaging and computational science but not in 3d rendering. isn't that what macs are supposed to do, be better than pc's, period?
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Posted 22 April 2005 - 12:53 PM

"Menus belong at the top of the screen, where they can be easily found. The day they put them inside the window is the day I have to find a new OS, I guess."
Must take issue with you on this one. First, I advocate window-centric menus only as a user option. I don't care if a fixed, global menubar is the default. So this isn't about either-or. Second, hundreds of millions of people use a Windows OS and somehow manage to find the menus without difficulty. Your implication that anything other than a single global menubar would result in menus less than easy to find is just not credible.
If anything, a case can be made to the contrary, that when menus are readily at hand in proximity to the app and window they govern -- and not, (as screens get larger and larger) at some distance away -- the user will have a much easier time of it.
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Posted 22 April 2005 - 01:28 PM

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Windows: Include everything

including those royal roads to backdoors and core VB hacking.
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