[grbear]

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I own a single user license of GoLive 5.0. Maybe after this acquisition is complete, I will be able to upgrade to DreamWeaver from GoLive.

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Wow, I've been using Dreamweaver since version 1.0 and I was hoping for the exact opposite.. after I bought the bloated pile of code Dreamweaver MX 2004 I swore I'd never touch another MM product again.
I'm hoping there will be an upgrade path GoLive CS2.

[iron_chef]

well obviously you are very short sighted, Fahlman.
Multiple pages are tremendously useful.
1) You can develop your entire identity comps all in one package. You can do letterhead, business cards, no. 10 envelopes, tabloid sized posters, cd rom templates without ever leaving your document.
2) you can build everything for one client on one style sheet. Too bad in illustrator you'd have to repeat the same changes over and over again.
With a single click of a symbol or library change, you can make system wide changes on your comps. With illustrator, you'd have to open and close every single comp just to make a color change.
3) you can build an entire website or PDF presentation WITH links.
4) you can do multipage PDFs. Yeah, try that stunt with Illustrator. You'd have to manually stitch one by one via acrobat every single time.

Maybe Fahlman...try opening your eyes some time.

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[iron_chef]

well importing multipage PDFs isn't a big deal. so what?

[iron_chef]

Flash and Dreamweaver are the two crown jewels.
Hope they don't screw either one.

[pcmeissner]

I'm just not sure importing AIs into InDesign would work. What would happen to objects that bleed off the pasteboard? Would they get cropped? What about objects placed entirely off the pasteboard? To which page would they be assigned to? I think there are some issues that would need to be solved. Maybe some kind of Layers Comp paradigm could be used. Importing multi-page pdfs to ai files = apple to oranges

[JeffM]

"Here's a perfect example:
When I start doing a logo exploration, I can easily reel off a hundred iterations that I need to print to evaluate. With Illustrator, I can either (A) make groups of logos that fit in a letter-size space and drag them on and off the page area (and go thru the print dialog box 5 or 10 times), or (B) save multiple files (and go thru the open AND print dialog box 5 or 10 times!). With Freehand I could have all my first pass attempts organized in one file. I think it's a better workflow."
© Create a page that's a multiple of a letter size page (i.e. 42.5 x 11 for five letter pages), create all your iterations and tile your print out to individual letter pages. Illustrator will even show you page breaks where your document will tile in the live document. One file. One "Open". One "Print".
JeffM

[muppetdog]

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But I would truly love of this merger is actually taking SoundEdit Pro out of mothballs!! SoundEdit Pro was THE best audio editor on the Macintosh and Macromedia just SAT ON IT! Now I no longer have Classic on my Mac, so I can no longer use SoundEdit Pro. And don't talk to me about alternatives until you can find me a sound editor that I can select a portion of audio and assign it a color. It did that and MUCH more!

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http://www.apple.com.../soundtrackpro/
just announced.
i don't know if it allows you to assign colors to parts of a sample, but read some of its features...it may be up your alley.

[rreed2000]

If Adobe does one thing Macromedia wouldn't do - upgrade Fontographer. It'll all be worth it. Oh and SoundEdit too!!!

[Schneb]

Actually, I was looking at that too. If they made an express version, it would probably ease my pain. I tell you, there was something real nice about selecting a small area where you want a word removed and hilighting in with Red, then choosing another word and hilighting it blue. Now, in a glance, I can see where both words are in the sample. SoundEdit Pro was my last application holdout. uhy----

[Schneb]

You and me both!! I did send a feedback to Macromedia complaing about both products being ignored.

[iron_chef]

it's a weird work around but Freehand's a lot more efficient.
What if you need to add 15 more pages? and have each a different size? (example: a stationery kit that holds a no.9. no.10, business card, and a letter head.)
The problem about that illustrator work around is that every page has the same crop and cannot be custom sized for each object.
Freehand generates custom crops and treats each different page with it's own custom sized printer marks.
Plus your method can't work to generate a multipage PDF for your client to review. All the comps generated in one document can be made into a multipage PDF (including Master Pages).

Seriously, Illustrator is way behind on this workflow.

[iron_chef]

not that hard a hurdle to define.
The easy way is to import objects within each page boundary. It's really no big deal since freehand treats EPS exports only with objects within the page boundary.
Illustrator is actually a constrictive environment to work since you have to define everything you do within the artboard.
Freehand on the other hand...lets you build an entire system within your document. For instance, I can map an entire website within freehand's document (complete working pages AND links) while treating every page as it's own "document". One click can change colors on every page. RGB and CYMK images can reside on the same page with no loss in color gamut (RGB and CMYK determinations are dealt with at the time of EXPORT and not IMPORT--this is really nice when your project has to go both to web and print and you don't want to lose any color fidelity when switching from RGB and CMYK). I can also find and replace every logo by graphics search or symbols in a single click. In illustrator, you'd have to open every document to do a simple change.
It's really powerful stuff...if you choose to look into it.

[Grapho]

With your comment you just demonstrate that you do not have a real handle on Illustrator, did you think of making your page 8 times bigger and maybe tiling your logos in a sequential fashion. Did you even know that Illustrator can tile? Or how tiling work, or how flexible it is. It almost resembles the page layout analogy of Freehand. Illustrator 11's print dialog box is some much better designed. You actually get to see a preview of what you are printing without having to click O.K. and get back to it like on FH for it to update. Believe me I use both, I am just as conformable in both, and having multiple pages is not imperative. Why do you even think that InDesign exists. The only reason MM added this feature was only because they did not have a true page layout package to compete with. Quark added this feature in a more powerful and yet useless fashion. In Quark you can have multiple layouts with as many pages as you like. The only reason I can se value on this, is that if you file gets corrupted, you lose several layouts not just one. /forums/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Grapho]

Try sending this to an image setter. You have to send page by page, just like printing document by document. Just like Illustrator. So I don't see this as a feature, I see it as a bug.