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PayPal: Steer clear of Apple's Safari

#1 User is offline   Macworld 

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 06:06 PM

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 06:25 PM

"Over the past few months, IE 7 users have been less likely to drop out and abandon the process of signing on to PayPal, he said. "It's a several percentage-point drop in abandonment rates," he said. "That number is... measurably lower for IE 7 users.""
... less likely than whom? Previous IE users? IE 7 users from a few months back? Safari users? Rather an ambiguous statement without that info.
"He says IE 7 users are more likely to sign on to PayPal's Web site than users who don't have EV certificate technology, presumably because they're confident that they're visiting a legitimate site."
Not the most scientifically-drawn conclusion, is it?! The word "presumably" being key to the logic there...
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 06:52 PM

Talk about Phishing! Don't get a PayPal account, they want WAY too much personal information. More than my credit card company...what is PayPal doing with all that personal information?
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 07:02 PM

I don't think it's fair to tell people not to use Safari because it doesn't include any anti-phishing measures. If I use paypal to pay for a purchase on ebay or newegg, using Safari to pay for them isn't going to make me a victim of fraud. Anti-phishing technology may help reduce fraud, but it's only a supplement to awareness and common sense.
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 07:11 PM

ummm, never follow a link in an email. nuff said.
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 07:18 PM

Seriously, technology should NOT be the first line in any defense against phishing. Education is the key. Most people don't even know what an SSL Certificate is, much less what an EV Certificate means. Browser choice has little to do with anything and the conclusion eBay draws is simply just flawed and could be perceived as nothing more than anti-Apple sentiment. So eBay... go fish!
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 07:31 PM

LOL!
I once had someone pay me with Paypal but the payment wound up in Malaysia. This had NOTHING to do with the web browser someone uses. Paypal can be hacked so I advise not using Paypal instead of not using Safari.
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 07:31 PM

"Upcoming versions of Firefox and Opera are expected to support the technology."
"Opera, IE, and Firefox are "safer, precisely because we think they are safer for the average consumer,"
Wait a second, if upcoming versions of Firefox will have this technology, then how is the current Firefox safer. Speaking of fish, something smells in this article. They are safer because they think so?
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 07:34 PM

I don't really worry about phishing. I get to all my sites via bookmarks that I've created. or directly typing in URLs. I never use 3rd party computers to get to a website where I would handle some type of financials. Heck, I don't even use my Windows computer to do that. You've got to be smarter than the phisher. If you're not, then in my opinion, you deserve whatever happens to you. Even my Parents. My mom calls up with her new wifi enabled laptop, talking about how she can connect anywhere. No clue about phishers at all. Or how to create a secure connection to a known SSID. All she sees is "do I want to connect to a network" and the answer is invariably "yes." You try to explain it to her and it all goes over her head. When technology that used to be reserved for the more nerdy and financially stable gets massed produced and dumbed down enough to where they are now sold at bargain basement prices, and anyone without the know-how can now create or connect to a wireless network, you are going to run into problems. That applies to phishing. I'm surprised at all the non-secure networks in my neighborhood. I'm kind of glad they are there actually. Only faster than the slowest runner and all that hooey.
Someone wants to have email capabilities and do their online banking as well, needs to know not to click on the links so conveniently provided from "Paypal" and "Bank of America" emails. You don't (or at least shouldn't) by a gun and carelessly play with it. You don't buy a car or motorcycle without knowing how to operate it. This is no different.
Here is one I get a good laugh at. My wife is on the phone with someone. In the midst of their conversation, the other person gets an email telling them of their auction they just won on ebay. Problem was, they didn't buy anything off ebay. But wait, here's a convenient link that says if you did not buy this product, log in right here to let us know. Click. I said "no he/she didn't." Yep. they did. Clicked right on that link and logged in. Lucky for them, it happened while they were talking to us. We had them go and change their password immediately.
Or talking to someone else. All of a sudden I hear someone else in the background talking about another email that claims something is wrong with their bank account, and shoot... they can click right here to fix the problem.
Real stories. So yes, now that technology has been dumbed-plugged-and-played down so much that anyone can use it without realizing the risks involved, they'll fall prey to phishers. Or even without knowing the one rule that can save so many butts - no legitimate financial institution is ever going to email you about a problem that they have with your account. Ever.
But for others like me, it doesn't mean a thing. I don't need any phishing technology built into my browser. I'm smart enough to enter my own links and never rely on anyone else to get me there.
Something else I see all the time. Old folks get that new fangled computer so that they can do some financial transactions on it. Then let their grandkids come over and and download all kinds of P2P software and warez and serialz application/databases. Catch some type of trojan from MySpace. They don't know about all that. Next thing you know, they are coming to me to change their direct deposit. They have no clue how someone withdrew $1000 from their account. These types of folks could benefit from what this Paypal dude is talking about. But in my opinion, these folks have no business using technology if they don't know how to use it.
It's like the folks who believe they will get some money from some son of someone important in some 3rd world country. If only they send them a check. And by the way, the request came in an email. They deserve what they get. I've actually seen the results of that one too.
I better step off this box....
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 07:37 PM

It must be nice to dump your job responsibilities onto someone else. Hell, I could sit in a chair all day and pontificate about how my users could be more secure if only they knew that the absence of a green bar they've never seen before is actually a bad thing. Yeah, that's the average consumer alright.
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 07:38 PM

Sorry, but they can go f* themselves. Anyone with half a brain knows how to protect themselves no matter what browser they're using.
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 07:39 PM

Wow, I've been using Paypal for my business for quite a while, and I've notice that I get more than a few fake emails nearly every time after I conduct transactions using Paypal. I've never responded to fake Paypal emails, and I warn my clients to be careful of the email they receive from "Paypal."
However, in addition to Apple doing what it needs to do to improve security, couldn't Paypal using a similar security feature like Yahoo where you have a custom image appear in your emails from Paypal and when you sign into your account that shows that it's legitimately Paypal? The custom image you upload is tied to your computer. So you do it for every computer you use on a regular basis.
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 08:05 PM

Paypal and Ebay don't even know what security is. They are simply trying to point the finger at other vendors for nothing other than their own lack of effort to clean up their sites. What has Paypal and Ebay done to secure their site... NOTHING! They offer buyer/seller protection that you probably won't even be eligible for anyway. That only made the problem worse.

Seriously, has anyone ever talked to paypal about a transaction problem with a stolen account? The woman laughed when I mentioned that their site claims to be so secure... Laughed.
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 08:37 PM

Talk about dangerous web sites, Ebay is the worst. All you have to do is bid on something fairly expensive and within hours of the auction closing you will get several offers for you to buy the item outside of ebay because the winner of the auction "backed out". Unfortunately, each will be from a different person, and none of them are the actual seller. This happened so much to me, that I've pretty much stopped using ebay. Gee, I suppose that must be because I used Safari!
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