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Pennywigeon said:

The coffee....

Hmmm

Yup, Space Monkey ball is vital to digital computing and much more important than news about future OS chip support, BLue Ray support and new Models of computers.

Let me list a few things your idea of the new "wave" of telephone computing will not do very well. Things the "old horse and buggy" tech will still be needed for quite some time.

Photoshop
Illustrator
Indesign
Quark
FInal Cut Pro
Logic
Pro Tools
Dreamweaver
Flash Development
XTools
Impostioning
RIPing
Color corrrection
Audio Editing
Video Editing
Commercial Design
Ad Design
Media Burning and manufacturing
Servers
Databases
Database Development
Software Development
iPhone Software Development

I will admit that those that think computing is nothing but sitting in some trendy coffee shop updating their facebook account is "cutting edge tech" then this keynote must have made you salivate.

But those old cronies that use the old "horse and buggy" technology and actually use computers and technology to actually do work on and create these things people think is "cutting edge" would think that a developers conference would be a little more in-depth about things used to actually make a living instead of "Latte Toys".

The poor pricing between the iPod Touch and the iPhone 3G is a good example of focusing too much on one aspect and being blind to the overall picture.

After last time i checked Apple wasn't a Phone company.



Or is it?

(shaking head)

Asking people to "wake up and smell the coffee" only tells people that trendy "Latte Tech" to some is the actual end all.

I wonder if Chocolate Mocha will rain down from "the cloud" as the new American Idol sings and dances to a new iPhone anthem while users abroad smile cheesy smiles as they play SPace Monkey in the bathroom of their workplace instead of actually doing something productive.



I smelled the coffee and it smelled like a teen magazine, full of trendy fashion and trendy gossip but lacking that one vital thing.






Substance.

I don't get argumentative for its own sake, and I never play computer/video games, so Super Monkey Ball is not on my App Store Birthday Registry -- but you big box chauvinists are clearly seeing things only out of your own perspective and missing the meaning of the biggest paradigm shift since Steve and Woz cobbled the Apple 1 together (which was historic although not able to run any of the products you specifically mention as real computing).

What you're calling Latte Computing didn't once mention that this is Apple's first committed direct assault on the business market in forever -- it's where the keynote started: Apple in the Enterprise on a new platform playing second fiddle to nobody. Business people doing their email, calendaring, getting docs attached and more on the road with Apple products is huge -- doctors getting CAT scans anywhere, anytime -- everything syncing and pushing back and forth. C'mon. This isn't a phone (which is why I keep saying it should have been called the Apple mobile) -- it is the next platform of computation, the mightiest mite yet.

I also don't play Super Bill Ball (MS Exchange) -- but cross platform MobileMe is big too. This was an amazing, comprehensive rollout. And this is only the second model of the first device. Storage, speed, computation power, etc are only going to increase, and multiple form factors will leave most people on the go depending on wireless, ubiquitously connected, location aware devices weighing less than one pound and being served very well indeed.

And this is real OS X. Real mainstream productivity apps will find their way to these devices.

It could hardly be clearer.

[ultimatehippie]

Yo folks!! it's so darn awesome that the iPhone is finally going 3g... I wonder when it will be available in India and which carrier(s) will it be available with.

[Pennywigeon]

"but you big box chauvinists are clearly seeing things only out of your own perspective and missing the meaning of the biggest paradigm shift since Steve and Woz cobbled the Apple 1 together (which was historic although not able to run any of the products you specifically mention as real computing)."

It is painfully obvious that have you no clue to what the big picture actually is.

Let us look at this "biggest paradigm shift" you are so convinced of.

The iPhone 3G differs from the iPhone how?

A flush headphone jack so third party adapters are no longer needed (this was done because of the huge amount of complaints about the headphone jack)

Now can access 3G networks (where available) for faster network speeds so users can surf the internet faster and download files faster. Something the competitors have been doing for years. (The original iPhone should have been 3G)

Better battery life for a 3G phone.

Plastic back instead of metal. (Cheaper parts cost)

It costs $40 MORE in the two year life cycle than the previous one due to the increase in plan pricing and data package pricing but is now subsidized so the initial upfront cost is cheaper which HURTS the iPod Touch Market a little.

That is it.

Now the new stuff? We are seeing the SDK (which is old news) bearing fruit. So far the highlighted items are

A way for you to check on your digital yard sale items (ebay)
A way to entertain yourself (Space Monkey, Krull, Cro-Mag)
Two Medical Programs (niche software)
GPS native (catching up to competitors)
Push and SYnc services (catching up to competitors)
MobileMe aka iTools aka .Mac (subscription sync services available now to windows users as well. services that have been around for awhile)

The actual iPhone DEVELOPMENT ? Done on nothing other than Big Boxes.

The iPhone is finally offering features that have been available to smart phone users for over two years so it is not a "biggest paradigm shift" but rather the "finally catching up to what has been offered for so long so they can now compete in an already established market"

The only thing "new" the iPhone offers is an A+ GUI and interface and design (of course designed and developed on a Big Box) and that newness is over a year old.

So in the end the iPhone now has the ability to give a user a synced mobile secretary but nothing much anymore. It now may be "allowed" easier in the Enterprise market but in order to really make a dent pricing and plans would need to be negotiated and the locked in two year agreement with the raised pricing from AT&T is not going to make that any easier, especially when it comes to enterprise customers as they may have laready established deals with other carriers. No "unlocked" iPhones in the US for at least 4 years will limit the client base based on carrier offerings.

Now the "big box chauvinists" you snub so easily are the ones who run the machines that offer you the synced services, the email, the photo editing, the music editing, report writing, graphic design, GUI design, Software development, Web Devlopment, Print services, media, rich media, audio, video, graphical representations, scientific studies, etc. It is also on those "big boxes" all those reports, office documents, graphs, etc are created on that are sent to your phone.

What is a majority of people going to do with an iPhone? Talk on it, text on it, check their email when they are not at their "big box" and maybe listen to some tunes, browse a few pics, or watch a little video.
In reality what do they do most? Send stupid internet jokes and pictures to all their friends.

Is the iPhone a highly productive device? No. You are not going to type out a long report, design anything, edit video, photos, or audio on it. You are not going to do a thesis on it, scientific report, or case studies on it. You will just be connected to something already established. You will be connected to non other than "big boxes".

You are going to send quick emails, and schedule things on it. Check things while you are en-route somewhere but a majority of the actual WORK will be done on none other than "the big boxes" that you think are so unimportant.

In order to get a good foothold in the enterprise market they would have to deploy BIG BOXES.

The iPhone is nothing other than seductive bait to LOOK at what other options there are instead of what is currently being used. Bait and switch tactic. It is a tool designed to "wow" new customers into switching to Mac Hardware. In other words, to get them to purchase Mac Big Boxes.

OSX and the Big Boxes are the substance behind everything because in a PRODUCTIVE environment you have to be able to do more than just watch youtube, check facebook, sync your email, calendar, and addressbook, and email people.

The productive work will be done on the "big boxes". Since the big boxes play such a vital role in things to come it would be common sense to any productive person out there to want to know the FUTURE of development for those boxes currently deployed, future box offerings, and also the state of things when it comes to the software they use to be productive.

Will there be delays in future revisions of software they use?
Will they support new architecture that is going to be deployed?
Is there a set timeframe when the new development will be available?

IN your blindness to your seductive bait you are convinced this is the "biggest paradigm shift" since Apple's inception. I would frankly disagree.

OSX was a huge one. Switching to Intel was probably the biggest since it allowed Macs to not only use many standard PC compatible parts, it also allowed the "big boxes" to run other OSes natively which sweetened the deal in getting people and enterprise to switch hardware from the alternative to Mac hardware without having to repurchase existing software and peripherals. This and the XServe was the "biggest assault" on the Enterprise market. But what you fail to realize is Apple is not focused on the Enterprise Market. They want the Home Market. They want the Living Room not the Board Room. Ask any analyst and they would tell you the same. Apple is set to take over the living room and that is their main focus. Why push services and sync options? Because many people do their work at HOME.

Snow Leopard will be a huge step for developers of OSX and Mac Users because it defines the next step and what direction Apple will be taking for FUTURE development. It is also a big deal because it will bring up the questions of future carbon development, PPC compatibility, 64bit deployment, better multicore speed and software development for multi-cores, OpenCL, and Grand Central. These are all very important and decisive things and will have a bigger impact on Mac Customers and Hardware than the ability to sync an address book and play Krull on your lunch break.

Writing off Big Boxes as unimportant shows a lack of seeing the actual big picture.

The big picture at Apple takes in all the HARDWARE and ties it together seamlessly with OSX as the central hub. The future of OSX, especially to developers, is vital to what steps they will take in the future to develop on OSX. And this effects every device that runs OSX.

Apple wants the Living Room and the iPhone fits that nicely.

What do people do mostly at home?

Sync their email, address book, and iCal for things to do.
Send photos and graphics via email to friends and family.
Check Ebay
Play Video Games.
Talk to friends, coworkers, and family.
Watch Movies.
Plan trips and get directions.
Surf the Internet.

Apple wants the Living Room and they are taking every step they can to achieve that. That is the "biggest paradigm shift" of all.

[itouchjailbreaker]

I can't believe that they are pushing the date back for the release! We have been waiting and waiting when is it going to come!? Still I am planning on buying on of the new iPhone's because of their price, even though I already own a phone from a different provider than AT&T.



- Mac's are expensive