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Leopard, Snow Leopard are not of that great an importance to me to spend one more minute in an argument about it. As it stands today Tiger os great for me. Leopard could not make it for me and certainly Snow Leopard with nothing new except the old saw "New and improved" will not do it either. Go ahead send your money for Snow Leopard. I do not care at all. I just wanted to say how I feel and I did.
Snow Leopard: Back to Basics
MultiQuote#58 Guest__*
Posted 16 June 2008 - 01:20 PM
" I wish they would quit
acting like using the video processor to add speed is going to be a
noticeable improvement. Thats not a fix thats a bandaid to an issue
that needs looking into. Why make a computer that can't even be used to
its potential by the OS. Tapping into the graphics systems is a joke in
reality as far as develoment goes. Lets get with the prgram APPLe and
use the computer processor."
Apple, Inc. is not "acting like using the video processor to add speed is going to be a
noticeable improvement", NO they are way beyond that because they are developing a new technology (Open CL) and Application Programming Interfaces (API) that will allow developers to tap into the power of the GPU for general computing tasks.
Do you really believe that a multi-billion dollar company like Apple, Inc. would really develop such a technology if it does not aid their future strategy for Mac OS X.? Do you believe that Apple, Inc. would develop such technology on a whim without analyzing the potential performance increases for certain classes or all classes of applications?
Regarding the Digital Audio Workstation (DAW) software I use, once the DAW is developed to take advantage of Open CL, Open CL should allow more audio tracks (possibly, disk speed dependencies as well), more plug-ins, more virtual instruments, more MIDI channels, etc. of course how much more processing power will be available is anyone's guess until the Open CL DAW running on Snow Leopard is able to be tested. It will be interesting to see the results of such testing comparing the DAW on Leopard versus the Open CL aware DAW on Snow Leopard.
As they say the proof is in the pudding and in this case it is doubtful that Apple would develop Open CL unless it will truly provide more available processing power. Time will tell and we should know sometime in 2009 what impact Open CL has on various classes of applications.
And we have not even talked about Grand Central which should allow developers to more effectively code for multiple-core Macintosh computers in the future, hopefully allowing developers to be able to optimize better for the 4 or 8-core Mac Pro which in many tests shows that current software does not scale well out to the 4 or 8-cores.
acting like using the video processor to add speed is going to be a
noticeable improvement. Thats not a fix thats a bandaid to an issue
that needs looking into. Why make a computer that can't even be used to
its potential by the OS. Tapping into the graphics systems is a joke in
reality as far as develoment goes. Lets get with the prgram APPLe and
use the computer processor."
Apple, Inc. is not "acting like using the video processor to add speed is going to be a
noticeable improvement", NO they are way beyond that because they are developing a new technology (Open CL) and Application Programming Interfaces (API) that will allow developers to tap into the power of the GPU for general computing tasks.
Do you really believe that a multi-billion dollar company like Apple, Inc. would really develop such a technology if it does not aid their future strategy for Mac OS X.? Do you believe that Apple, Inc. would develop such technology on a whim without analyzing the potential performance increases for certain classes or all classes of applications?
Regarding the Digital Audio Workstation (DAW) software I use, once the DAW is developed to take advantage of Open CL, Open CL should allow more audio tracks (possibly, disk speed dependencies as well), more plug-ins, more virtual instruments, more MIDI channels, etc. of course how much more processing power will be available is anyone's guess until the Open CL DAW running on Snow Leopard is able to be tested. It will be interesting to see the results of such testing comparing the DAW on Leopard versus the Open CL aware DAW on Snow Leopard.
As they say the proof is in the pudding and in this case it is doubtful that Apple would develop Open CL unless it will truly provide more available processing power. Time will tell and we should know sometime in 2009 what impact Open CL has on various classes of applications.
And we have not even talked about Grand Central which should allow developers to more effectively code for multiple-core Macintosh computers in the future, hopefully allowing developers to be able to optimize better for the 4 or 8-core Mac Pro which in many tests shows that current software does not scale well out to the 4 or 8-cores.
#59 Guest__*
Posted 16 June 2008 - 01:34 PM
"Funny question! I have a
iMac G5 with the last Tiger OS. It does everything I need or want. It
is also solid as a rock. I read about so many problems by user of
Leopard that I am asking myself why did they upgrade? There you have
it, Snow Leopard fast as a jet and no more features than Leopard that I
rejected? Tiger is great!"
I say use what you have and make the best of it. Some people may have upgraded to Leopard due to various features (Time Machine, Spaces, etc.?).
I have a 7 year old PowerMac G4 running Panther and a 4 year old PowerBook G4 running Tiger and a new MacBook Pro running Leopard. All three systems continue to serve me well. The only systems that I have upgraded is the PowerMac G4 (10.1, 10.2, 10.3 - my experimental Mac OS X years) and the PowerBook G4 (10.3 to 10.4, definitely worth the money to go to Tiger).
Regarding the 7 year old PowerMac G4 running Panther and a 4 year old PowerBook G4 running Tiger they will not be upgraded any further due to the fact that the current configurations perform well.
I am interested in upgrading my MacBook Pro to Snow Leopard next year due to the potential performance improvements that Open CL and Grand Central can bring to my DAW software Logic. The proof is in the pudding and I will not upgrade until actual testing is completed. It will be interesting to see what Grand Central and especially Open CL bring in terms of application processing power increases.
I hope that since Logic (and other Apple software - Final Cut) is developed by Apple that they will be working on using the new API's that Grand Central and Open CL bring in parallel with Snow Leopard development so that their Pro apps can be released next year taking advantage of the new Snow Leopard technologies.
iMac G5 with the last Tiger OS. It does everything I need or want. It
is also solid as a rock. I read about so many problems by user of
Leopard that I am asking myself why did they upgrade? There you have
it, Snow Leopard fast as a jet and no more features than Leopard that I
rejected? Tiger is great!"
I say use what you have and make the best of it. Some people may have upgraded to Leopard due to various features (Time Machine, Spaces, etc.?).
I have a 7 year old PowerMac G4 running Panther and a 4 year old PowerBook G4 running Tiger and a new MacBook Pro running Leopard. All three systems continue to serve me well. The only systems that I have upgraded is the PowerMac G4 (10.1, 10.2, 10.3 - my experimental Mac OS X years) and the PowerBook G4 (10.3 to 10.4, definitely worth the money to go to Tiger).
Regarding the 7 year old PowerMac G4 running Panther and a 4 year old PowerBook G4 running Tiger they will not be upgraded any further due to the fact that the current configurations perform well.
I am interested in upgrading my MacBook Pro to Snow Leopard next year due to the potential performance improvements that Open CL and Grand Central can bring to my DAW software Logic. The proof is in the pudding and I will not upgrade until actual testing is completed. It will be interesting to see what Grand Central and especially Open CL bring in terms of application processing power increases.
I hope that since Logic (and other Apple software - Final Cut) is developed by Apple that they will be working on using the new API's that Grand Central and Open CL bring in parallel with Snow Leopard development so that their Pro apps can be released next year taking advantage of the new Snow Leopard technologies.
#60 Guest__*
Posted 16 June 2008 - 02:03 PM
"Apparently, agreeing with a decision made by Apple equates to drinking the Kool-aid. 
"
Yeah, but is the Kool-Aid from Steve Jobs or Jim Jones
? Big difference! :^0
I too will go out on a limb and agree with the decision made by Apple, Inc. to pause on OS X development and to work on optimizations and key technologies that will allow future rich OS X application development. I find it ironic, that even before delivering on the technology and applications being updated to take advantage of it, that some are calling Open CL a "bandaid" and other terms that belie the ignorance being displayed by making such comments.
We have not even seen the amount of additional processing power Open CL will make available for general computing purposes and they call it a "bandaid" and further we have not even seen the application optimizations that Grand Central will allow and people are bitching about that as well. I for one call both Grand Central and Open CL major architectural features that will allow incredible future application development similar to and possibly more profoundly than the Core technologies currently in Leopard (Core Audio, Core Video, Core Animation, etc.).
"Yeah, but is the Kool-Aid from Steve Jobs or Jim Jones
? Big difference! :^0 I too will go out on a limb and agree with the decision made by Apple, Inc. to pause on OS X development and to work on optimizations and key technologies that will allow future rich OS X application development. I find it ironic, that even before delivering on the technology and applications being updated to take advantage of it, that some are calling Open CL a "bandaid" and other terms that belie the ignorance being displayed by making such comments.
We have not even seen the amount of additional processing power Open CL will make available for general computing purposes and they call it a "bandaid" and further we have not even seen the application optimizations that Grand Central will allow and people are bitching about that as well. I for one call both Grand Central and Open CL major architectural features that will allow incredible future application development similar to and possibly more profoundly than the Core technologies currently in Leopard (Core Audio, Core Video, Core Animation, etc.).
#61 Guest__*
Posted 16 June 2008 - 02:11 PM
"The latest, the improved, the fastest, the advertise .... If you go for it look in the mirror. You will see a sucker!"
Oh really! What about production machines where speed counts. Of course no one is going to interrupt a production workflow without testing, however if a new machine is twice as fast as an old machine at similar or identical tasks then the efficiency afforded may be worth the capitalization investment. The new machine or machines may allow ones bottom line to grow due to increased efficiency or may be able to be leveraged to increased competitiveness due to the ability to cut rates again due to increased efficiencies.
And all of this and sucker free as well... B-)
Oh really! What about production machines where speed counts. Of course no one is going to interrupt a production workflow without testing, however if a new machine is twice as fast as an old machine at similar or identical tasks then the efficiency afforded may be worth the capitalization investment. The new machine or machines may allow ones bottom line to grow due to increased efficiency or may be able to be leveraged to increased competitiveness due to the ability to cut rates again due to increased efficiencies.
And all of this and sucker free as well... B-)
#62 Guest__*
Posted 16 June 2008 - 02:37 PM
"Leopard, Snow Leopard
are not of that great an importance to me to spend one more minute in
an argument about it. As it stands today Tiger os great for me. Leopard
could not make it for me and certainly Snow Leopard with nothing new
except the old saw "New and improved" will not do it either. Go ahead
send your money for Snow Leopard. I do not care at all. I just wanted
to say how I feel and I did."
Great, continue to use Tiger. I am using Panther, Tiger, and Leopard on my three Macs. They all perform well for me and I will not be upgrading the Panther and Tiger machines to Leopard.
I MAY upgrade the Leopard system (Intel Mac Book Pro) to Snow Leopard, once Logic takes advantage of Open CL and Grand Central, depending on how many more plug-ins, virtual instruments, etc. can be run on Logic optimized for and under Snow Leopard versus Logic under Leopard. The possible advantage to upgrading to Snow Leopard may be in the increased processing power and application optimizations it brings and all on my current hardware. The proof is in the pudding and I will wait for test results before deciding to upgrade to Snow Leopard and the Logic version that takes advantage of Open CL and Grand Central and for that matter other Snow Leopard specific architectural features.
Am I a "sucker" for intelligently evaluating performance increases that Snow Leopard and applications that are optimized for it can bring, and after evaluation upgrading to Snow Leopard and upgrading the application if the performance gains bring greater efficiency to my workflow? Am I sucker for gaining performance on my current hardware (e.g. no new hardware investment) by upgrading the OS and also the applications that are able to take advantage of the new OS architectural features?
are not of that great an importance to me to spend one more minute in
an argument about it. As it stands today Tiger os great for me. Leopard
could not make it for me and certainly Snow Leopard with nothing new
except the old saw "New and improved" will not do it either. Go ahead
send your money for Snow Leopard. I do not care at all. I just wanted
to say how I feel and I did."
Great, continue to use Tiger. I am using Panther, Tiger, and Leopard on my three Macs. They all perform well for me and I will not be upgrading the Panther and Tiger machines to Leopard.
I MAY upgrade the Leopard system (Intel Mac Book Pro) to Snow Leopard, once Logic takes advantage of Open CL and Grand Central, depending on how many more plug-ins, virtual instruments, etc. can be run on Logic optimized for and under Snow Leopard versus Logic under Leopard. The possible advantage to upgrading to Snow Leopard may be in the increased processing power and application optimizations it brings and all on my current hardware. The proof is in the pudding and I will wait for test results before deciding to upgrade to Snow Leopard and the Logic version that takes advantage of Open CL and Grand Central and for that matter other Snow Leopard specific architectural features.
Am I a "sucker" for intelligently evaluating performance increases that Snow Leopard and applications that are optimized for it can bring, and after evaluation upgrading to Snow Leopard and upgrading the application if the performance gains bring greater efficiency to my workflow? Am I sucker for gaining performance on my current hardware (e.g. no new hardware investment) by upgrading the OS and also the applications that are able to take advantage of the new OS architectural features?
