Apple sends the wrong signal to iPhone customers
#29
Posted 15 July 2008 - 04:31 AM
Of course, when I got home and tried to activate the phone through iTunes, it failed. I wasn't able to activate the phone until about 3:30.
Was I pissed. You betcha. 7 hours (7 business hours, I will add) without access to my phone/calls was rough. But I'm a big boy. I survived it.
I've heard people blaming AT&T for this mess. The only way AT&T could be responsible is if iTunes, during activation, pings AT&T servers and that was the point of failure. I don't find that likely. iTunes was the point of failure, and for that I blame Apple. Couple this with the MobileMe fiasco two days before, and you have a customer who has had his confidence in Apple delivering quality online solutions seriously shaken.
Apple really could have used Internap's help that day.
#30
Posted 15 July 2008 - 05:06 AM
wolfjo said:
How about its the first opportunity to get millions of Windows users to come to the Apple Store and try out the rest of their products?
Well, to be honest, I think MONEY is also part of the reason. Even at a subsidized price, I am sure there is some retail markup involved in the iPhone. Example, it costs Apple $100 to make one, they're charging $300 for them. If AT&T gets the hardware sale, they pocket the $200 retail profit. If Apple gets the hardware sale, they pocket that $200. Considering Apple no longer gets part of the service revenue, they need to sell the hardware to make up for that lost revenue.
As far as getting new Windows users into the strore, makes sense, BUT, it sure back fired, because even now, 5 days later, Apple is not letting people just come in and browse for Macs and stuff in some locations. And those in line, here in the suburbs of Los Angeles, are still spending 5 hours in some locations outside the store, not inside, so there's no browsing of Macs and stuff for them. Let's face it, who, after spending hours standing in line to get a phone, are going to do anything other than run home and rest after hours and hours on their feet waiting for a phone; buying a Mac is the last thing on their mind at that point.
#31
Posted 15 July 2008 - 05:30 AM
vfx2k4 said:
Maybe you should be thanking us early adopters for working out the bugs on the device so that you can wait a couple of months to get a better operating device, rather than insulting us for being enthusiastic about something, Just a thought.
And please, don't ever let me see you standing in line any kind for a two hour movie, or a prime time meal at a restaurant, or some sporting event; the movie will be come out on HBO eventually so you don't have to wait in line, there are restaurants that don't have waits, and you can watch the sporting event on TV. If you've ever stood in line for anything, your criticism of those who stood in line for a phone are hypocritical.
We all have different values, why insult those whose values do nothing to harm you, just because you don't share them?
spinoza2 said:
Well, as an East Coaster, you didn't have the rest of the US trying to slam the servers at the time your Apple Store opened up, and if you read my earlier tales, you'll see that here in Los Angeles, every day, still, there are long lines and EXTREMELY long sales processes. At the Sherman Oaks Apple Store last night, my friend stood in line for 5 hours; she was 40th in line, and at 8:30 they sent her home from the line with TEN PEOPLE still in front of her. Apple processed a whopping 30 people in 5 hours?!!? There is something wrong with this process, despite it working well for others in some locations
I'm a happy camper. The new phone is great; but that doesn't change the fact that Apple either lied, or was completely clueless, about the process, how long it would take, and how customers would react to it.
serpicolugnut said:
I've heard people blaming AT&T for this mess. The only way AT&T could be responsible is if iTunes, during activation, pings AT&T servers and that was the point of failure. I don't find that likely. iTunes was the point of failure, and for that I blame Apple.
As an another East Coaster, near the front of the line, your experience was much difference than that of those who live further west or arrived later in the day. Glad you had a good experience, and that you survived it. We all did, but that doesn't mean it's something we can't be upset about on some level.
It IS AT&T's fault, but Apple is not blameless. You must know that it is AT&T's insistence that phones be on contract and activated before leaving the store, don't you? Since Apple gets ZERO revenue after the sale of the phone, they have no bone to pick about whether you ever get an AT&T contract or not; therefore you must blame AT&T's fear of not getting every single customer who gets an iPhone locking in for two years on the requirement to activate in store.
Additionally, if you're anything other than a current iPhone customer upgrading to your phone, the process is more than 5 minutes. Credit checks, plan selections, etc. At the Apple Store I went to, by the time I got into the store, NO ONE was being activated via iTunes, we all left the store with shrink wrapped phones. With that in mind, why was it still taking 15-40 minutes to get people through the AT&T part of the process? I was in the store for an hour with my friend who had AT&T issues upgrading her current iPhone, and in that time, despite over a dozen Apple employees helping customers, they only moved a few people through the line.
Last year's process was so simple; walk into the store, say how many phones you want, pay, and leave. Yes, you had potential for iTunes activation issues, but at least you were home, comfortable, doing what you do, instead of standing hostage (just semantics folks, don't respond to that, I know no one made people stand in line) to the check out process and AT&T credit approval. They should have done the same thing this year, but obviously AT&T wouldn't go for that.
#32
Posted 15 July 2008 - 05:39 AM
You can't not use the service for a day just to help Apple with the roll-out, and therefore people forking out good money for a service they might seriously rely on were screwed for up to three days (things started going wrong during the Thursday roll-out and something approaching normal service re-appeared on Saturday).
It's not like they had many platforms to support - the service doesn't even seem to work with Linux anymore.
#34
Posted 15 July 2008 - 06:18 AM
Good article, Philip.
#35
Posted 15 July 2008 - 06:24 AM
From the outside we will never know if apple was driving it or if it was a flaw at ATT, but the ATT stores were second class citizens, and really come out smelling the worst in all of this.
I live 200 miles from the nearest apple store but there are 3 ATT stores here. The had only a handful of phones and were out by 10 a.m. on Friday and still don't have stock. The Staff were in a cloud. Unable to answer any questions or even activate new accounts that were not iPhone accounts, even though they didn't have iPhones. For all intents and purposes the ATT stores were out of business by noon on Friday and have pretty much been that way since.
1. They have no iPhones.
2. The have no information available on when iPhones will be in stock
3. They are not answering their phones
4. The have no information of any kind available on their website except for the old "get iReady" message from last week.
The fact is if you buy an iPhone Apple gets your $200-$300 today, but you enter into a two year relationship with ATT.
In the last few days ATT doesn't look like a company that you want to do business with.
For the launch of a new product they have stopped communication with their customers. What would they do with a major outage?
#37
Posted 15 July 2008 - 09:03 AM
As far as MobileMe is concerned, as a long-time .mac user I experienced only minor problems during the transition. I had IMAP email the whole time, with some brief interruptions I had access to iDisk, and even my Web site was largely accessible during the transition. The only hiccup I noticed was that I couldn't Publish using iWeb for a few hours. All in all this transition was much less painful than the several-hour service interruptions I've had with Comcast, corporate IT departments, and other service providers.
#38
Posted 15 July 2008 - 10:52 AM
Next time, Apple will promise major improvements, but, to avoid disappointment, line up early, as in a week or two before launch. Nothing gives them better publicity than having block-long lines days and weeks before launch day. People in the line will party and do crazy things to while away the time, and all the news media will go filming and interviewing those people. You can't choreograph better advertising or marketing even if you tried.
In a way, this is more like selling rock concert tickets than a phone. When has any rock concert worth its (rock) salt been smooth and efficient? Part of the experience is the hysteria. If you want smooth and efficient, then buying on launch day is not for you, just as rock concerts are not for you.
#39
Posted 15 July 2008 - 11:22 AM
Before Apple brags about how many phones they sold they should concentrate on filling orders and keeping customers happy.
#40
Posted 15 July 2008 - 11:26 AM
I agree that it was pretty crazy for Apple to release the 2.0 software, the App Store, and the iPhone all on the same day given that everything had to go through the iTunes software / servers. Maybe Apple should use iSync again so that iTunes doen't have to do all the work so it doesn't conflict with other non-iPhone users (iTunes music, TV shows, movies). Even Mail might be a more appropriate software to sync the iPhone.
Other than customer support questions, MobileMe shouldn't have affected anything for the iPhone and related items launch.
Of course, if most Apple's customers didn't try to get the stuff on the first day, this wouldn't have been an issue. I for one knew that it would be crazy the first day and waiting until Apple irons out the bugs.
#42
Posted 15 July 2008 - 07:50 PM



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