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Looking for a fix for Apple's iPhone fix

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 08:09 AM

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Reply to David Foster
I have 45 apps (including the original apps). Iv'e set sync on mobileme for every hour(on my primary computer), fetch to every hour.
my laptop is manual sync - its off most of the time
I fetch mail as hourly
I'll do a manual sync as needed -usually when i want to send changes right away to mobil me
Brightness is a little less than halfway
GPS is off turned on as needed barely use - yet
WiFi is off " " " " " ' turn on to surf web then turn off
Bluetooth off - never use
Ringer volume Full
Vibrate off
I have 8 calendars and 3 email accounts ( however i only really use one).
some days i'll listen to 2-3 hours of i itunes
I try to keep syncing to only once a day
I upgrade apps from Iphone as itunes interface doesnt give the proper display of what needs to be updated
Battery needs to be charged every night, sooner if i use itunes alot
some times i let the battery run out completely before recharging
Let me know if i left out any settings
Mark



Seems about the same as what I get. I leave everything (but screen) on all the time. If I use email only, my battery will be in the red zone by early evening. However I use the iPhone for much more, therefore I'm plugging in regularly. I've got a car charger, and at work I use it while attached to the computer.

To me the iPhone has replaced a lot of the functions that I used my laptop for. So I treat it more like a mobile computing platform especially in regards to power.
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Posted 22 August 2008 - 08:44 AM

My iPhone has also replaced many of my laptop uses. If I know I'm going to be out for most of the day I have a couple of pocket sized batteries that I can take with me to top up the juice.
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Posted 22 August 2008 - 09:00 AM

I am using my iPhone in the same way. We can assume if it were to be used as a regular cell phone
perhaps our batteries would last a whole lot longer?
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Posted 22 August 2008 - 09:13 AM

On the rare days when I use my iPhone as a regular cell phone, the battery life is great. those days are few and far between though as I use a fair percentage of my apps most days.
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Posted 22 August 2008 - 09:20 AM

Uh, do ya' think? :)

The reason Steve Jobs gave for not including 3G and GPS on the original iPhone was that these features are huge power drains, and iPhone battery times would be insufficient for most users (who expect to at least make it thru a day between charges). Supposedly Apple has designed newer GPS/3G chips (and batteries) for the iPhone #G that make it a more possible.

HOWEVER, it should be no news to anyone that turning off these features when not needed will make the battery last longer, as does turning off wi-fi, push e-mail, etc, etc.
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Posted 22 August 2008 - 10:53 AM

Sorry to spoil the party, but my and my wife iPhones have been close to perfect since we bought them a month ago. No drop calls, 5 bars almost everywhere in the area covered around metropolitan Montreal. No freeze, no reboot required. I regards the iPhone as a small computer. Yesterday, I was out with the kids to an amusement park, and while waiting in line, I could review PDF documents (floor plans for my new lab), answer all my emails, chat with my techs and grads, and text messaging with my wife. I even found my way to the park using the Map/GPS function! I also listened to music and play a game or two while waiting for the kids to finish their ride. Overall, a fantastic day made even better by my iPhone.
I also have a house in the countryside on a far way lake, and I am lucky to get 1 to 2 bars on the EDGE. Even then, calls do not drop and web pages load relatively fast. Better reception than with my previous KRZR.
I, for one, highly recommend the iPhone to anyone who want to make their day more productive and fun at the same time. Perhaps your problems are really with ATT and some bad first generation apps, not Apple.
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Posted 22 August 2008 - 11:30 AM

How is your battery after all this use? I am overall happy with my iphone, as for the 3G goes I still am will always blame the carrier. After all, Apple only made the phone. AT&T should boost their 3G. however that is done, I am no engineer or software developer.
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Posted 22 August 2008 - 12:03 PM

Battery life is an issue, but I have yet to be shut out at the end of a day. If I know that I will be away from home or office all day, I turn off all unnecessary features and turn them on only when needed. It could be better, but certainly not a disaster as some seem to imply on blogs. Many of the issues raised here and elsewhere appear to be location and user/usage specific, and the real question is: what is the real number of iPhone owners, among more than a million, have real disabling problems with the devise. The polls done online are totally unscientific and biased, and to me worthless.
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Posted 22 August 2008 - 01:23 PM

As I say to my son--lets not play the blame game. My phone does not stay connected when 3G is on. I drop calls. AT&T says they provide coverage, Apple says the IPhone is not the problem. I am the customer---its there job to figure out why so many of us are dropping calls. Instead of pointing fingers-why doesnt Apple and AT&T put there thinking caps on and just work the problem. Obviously they chose to work with one another to begin with---and once the IPHONE 3G phone was born that relationship lives on. I think Steve Jobs wife would get it, I really do. . .I would call her but my problem is bigger than just not having the phone number handy.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 06:02 AM

I had to replace my 1st Gen iPhone after dropping it right on the glass touchscreen, the bottom half of which was then useless.

I got a 3G since a 1st Gen replacement was $200. My phone bill went from $67 to $100 a month.

1. In the week without an iPhone, I realized how deeply enmeshed in my life the phone is.

2. Battery life is absurdly short w/ the 3G. The 1st Gen could go 24 to 36 hours between charging, depending on usage. On the 3G the charge is down to a 1/4 battery after 8 hours of extremely light use: a few appt.'s, a quick 3G web page check, and a few calls. No music, no video, no 3rd party apps were used.

All things considered I regret not replacing my 1st Gen phone w/ another of the same.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 08:40 AM

john-d said:

I had to replace my 1st Gen iPhone after dropping it right on the glass touchscreen, the bottom half of which was then useless.

I got a 3G since a 1st Gen replacement was $200. My phone bill went from $67 to $100 a month.

1. In the week without an iPhone, I realized how deeply enmeshed in my life the phone is.

2. Battery life is absurdly short w/ the 3G. The 1st Gen could go 24 to 36 hours between charging, depending on usage. On the 3G the charge is down to a 1/4 battery after 8 hours of extremely light use: a few appt.'s, a quick 3G web page check, and a few calls. No music, no video, no 3rd party apps were used.

All things considered I regret not replacing my 1st Gen phone w/ another of the same.


Then return the 3G. I've got a 1st gen iPhone to sell if you're interested.
Personally I'd never go back. Aside from the look and feel (which I like much better). I'm having a lot more fun on my runs and bike rides with the GPS applications.

Personally I'd never go back.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 09:16 AM

john-d said:

All things considered I regret not replacing my 1st Gen phone w/ another of the same.


Interesting you say that, as I decided NOT to get the 2nd gen iPhone since:

1) I don't NEED the military-grade location pin-pointing provided by GPS.

In fact, I think Apple shot themselves in the foot somewhat by implementing an elegant location-finding work-around for the 1st-gen phone, using cell-phone triangulation and proximity to wi-fi networks, etc. It'll find my location within a 1/4 mile (worst-case scenario: a few hundred feet is typical) without sucking down battery power like a GS-enabled device would. I find that sufficient for MY needs, an excellent example of making more use out of less. I found this approach to be a PERFECT example of the Jobs philosophy, making the most out of what you DO have, rather than cluttering life by adding MORE nice (but optional) features that in the long run end up distracting from the experience due to undesirable consequences (like shorter battery life).

Let's put it this way: if you're lost in an unfamiliar town, and you can't find your way with the 1st-gen's location finder and the map, then you're beyond help, I 'd say! Let's not forget the old-fashioned method of looking around to determine your exact location, LOL. Those addresses on homes DO serve a useful purpose. :)

2) I don't NEED 3rd-gen HSDPA on my cell-phone.

For my needs, the pokey EDGE network is fine for 'on the go' use. While it would be nice to have a faster connection, it's not worth spending the extra $$$ for service I already have at home (6 mbps high-speed DSL, and a 2mbps mobile broadband card).

I've had EVDO access on my iPhone via a EVDO wireless router before (which is basically the same or faster speed as what you have on the latest iPhone's HSDPA network), but found it easier to use a laptop and an EVDO card for "real" tasks like e-mailing, surfing/browsing, etc. I got rid of my Kyocera KR1 router recently, but realized I missed the idea of a mobile EVDO connection, so bought the Sierra Wireless Compass 597 USB EVDO modem. I would've gone with the newest iPhone if I thought AT&T were going to allow tethering for data to a laptop, but it seems they've been the usual corporate nimnoids by trying to block such efforts. Fine, I went with the USB modem instead. Chalk one up for Verizon.

And as an added bonus, the 597 has a GPS chip inside, which integrates with my MBP (although practically speaking, I don't see how frequently I'd need the direction-finding of a GPS chip: maybe I don't get out of town often enough, as I usually know where I'm trying to go!).

Why not surfing from the iPhone? For me, the small iPhone screen limits the usefulness of the device, especially if you're spolied by a 17" laptop, 23" Cinema Display, etc. I'd have to be really desperate to use the iPhone's screen (and sometimes I do, in a pinch), as almost ANY task is going to be easier on a 'real' computer vs doing it on the iPhone.

Real world example: I was booking a hotel reservation the other day in my car (relax: I was parked!), and it was quite a slow and painful experience on the iPhone, since I had to enter a lot of data that I knew was readily available (via auto-completion) on my laptop. In the end, the iPhone didn't even complete the reservation process (some error encountered), so I still had to dig out the laptop to re-accomplish the same task. This had NOTHING to do with the speed of the connection, per se, but regardless, the end user experience, the sum total of the parts, was not as satisfying. What took a painful 5 minutes on the iPhone took less than a minute on a 'real' computer.

No, for quick data checks, the current pokey-slow EDGE network is fine, as generally speaking, when you're in the "real world" and on the go, you have other things to distract you from how long it takes to download. You can always find a near-by wi-fi network (AT&T offers free access at local Starbucks for iPhone users), if needed.

Unlike the teens who DO spend all day on their iPhones surfing, etc, I see my iPhone as a portable, easily-accessible EXTENSION of my laptop and desktop, useful for entering notes (e.g. mileage), keeping track of appointments (iCal) and contacts, checking e-mail (which I don't bother saving on the iPhone), sending the occasional text message, not to mention it's integrated iPod functions (so I can catch up on podcasts at the gym, or listen to music in the car). Of course, it's a phone, but it's a relatively minor part of the total picture for me.

Too often people overlook what the iPhone DOES well, and focus on the flaws! Part of human nature, I guess, but I dare say Apple is working on a fix for what ails users (and dropped calls are annoying, but hardly a new phenomena: the cell companies have touted fewer dropped calls as their mantra for years now, in response to such complaints. Has Apple eliminated the problem? Of course not).

This too shall pass: last year it was something else that people were griping about....
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 09:53 AM

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john-d said:

> All things considered I regret not replacing my 1st Gen phone w/ another of the same.

Interesting you say that, as I decided NOT to get the 2nd gen iPhone since:

1) I don't NEED the military-grade location pin-pointing provided by GPS.

In fact, I think Apple shot themselves in the foot somewhat by implementing an elegant location-finding work-around for the 1st-gen phone, using cell-phone triangulation and proximity to wi-fi networks, etc. It'll find my location within a 1/4 mile (worst-case scenario: a few hundred feet is typical) without sucking down battery power like a GS-enabled device would. I find that sufficient for MY needs, an excellent example of making more use out of less. I found this approach to be a PERFECT example of the Jobs philosophy, making the most out of what you DO have, rather than cluttering life by adding MORE nice (but optional) features that in the long run end up distracting from the experience due to undesirable consequences (like shorter battery life).

Let's put it this way: if you're lost in an unfamiliar town, and you can't find your way with the 1st-gen's location finder and the map, then you're beyond help, I 'd say! Let's not forget the old-fashioned method of looking around to determine your exact location, LOL. Those addresses on homes DO serve a useful purpose. :)

2) I don't NEED 3rd-gen HSDPA on my cell-phone.

For my needs, the pokey EDGE network is fine for 'on the go' use. While it would be nice to have a faster connection, it's not worth spending the extra $$$ for service I already have at home (6 mbps high-speed DSL, and a 2mbps mobile broadband card).

I've had EVDO access on my iPhone via a EVDO wireless router before (which is basically the same or faster speed as what you have on the latest iPhone's HSDPA network), but found it easier to use a laptop and an EVDO card for "real" tasks like e-mailing, surfing/browsing, etc. I got rid of my Kyocera KR1 router recently, but realized I missed the idea of a mobile EVDO connection, so bought the Sierra Wireless Compass 597 USB EVDO modem. I would've gone with the newest iPhone if I thought AT&T were going to allow tethering for data to a laptop, but it seems they've been the usual corporate nimnoids by trying to block such efforts. Fine, I went with the USB modem instead. Chalk one up for Verizon.

And as an added bonus, the 597 has a GPS chip inside, which integrates with my MBP (although practically speaking, I don't see how frequently I'd need the direction-finding of a GPS chip: maybe I don't get out of town often enough, as I usually know where I'm trying to go!).

Why not surfing from the iPhone? For me, the small iPhone screen limits the usefulness of the device, especially if you're spolied by a 17" laptop, 23" Cinema Display, etc. I'd have to be really desperate to use the iPhone's screen (and sometimes I do, in a pinch), as almost ANY task is going to be easier on a 'real' computer vs doing it on the iPhone.

Real world example: I was booking a hotel reservation the other day in my car (relax: I was parked!), and it was quite a slow and painful experience on the iPhone, since I had to enter a lot of data that I knew was readily available (via auto-completion) on my laptop. In the end, the iPhone didn't even complete the reservation process (some error encountered), so I still had to dig out the laptop to re-accomplish the same task. This had NOTHING to do with the speed of the connection, per se, but regardless, the end user experience, the sum total of the parts, was not as satisfying. What took a painful 5 minutes on the iPhone took less than a minute on a 'real' computer.

No, for quick data checks, the current pokey-slow EDGE network is fine, as generally speaking, when you're in the "real world" and on the go, you have other things to distract you from how long it takes to download. You can always find a near-by wi-fi network (AT&T offers free access at local Starbucks for iPhone users), if needed.

Unlike the teens who DO spend all day on their iPhones surfing, etc, I see my iPhone as a portable, easily-accessible EXTENSION of my laptop and desktop, useful for entering notes (e.g. mileage), keeping track of appointments (iCal) and contacts, checking e-mail (which I don't bother saving on the iPhone), sending the occasional text message, not to mention it's integrated iPod functions (so I can catch up on podcasts at the gym, or listen to music in the car). Of course, it's a phone, but it's a relatively minor part of the total picture for me.

Too often people overlook what the iPhone DOES well, and focus on the flaws! Part of human nature, I guess, but I dare say Apple is working on a fix for what ails users (and dropped calls are annoying, but hardly a new phenomena: the cell companies have touted fewer dropped calls as their mantra for years now, in response to such complaints. Has Apple eliminated the problem? Of course not).

This too shall pass: last year it was something else that people were griping about....


I don't NEED a mac. I don't NEED GPS, I don't NEED an iPhone, in fact I could do fine without a cellphone. I'm sure you don't NEED a 23" cinema display, but it makes your life/work much easier. And that's the point, the iPhone is device of convenience. I find the location services and applications to be VERY convenient. I find the GPS function with live traffic overlay to be a boon as well. I can now go on runs and see my average speed, minutes/mile, and actual route on google maps. I don't NEED any of this, but it's easy and a pleasure to use. I don't think Apple has added too much to the iPhone. None of the functionality in the iPhone is new, but it's packaged in a way that makes it easy and fun to use.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 10:19 AM

My 3G phone does many things well and it certainly looks cool. Which, many have assured me "is the most important thing" However, my first priority when buying it was to be able to talk on it. I can't. It works much better when I turn of 3G--which Apple suggested, and At&T says is not necessary since it is providing strong coverage. Really, I don't mean to whine and gripe but my request seems so resonable.
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