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I, too, think this is a very nice development and hope that Canon follow soon - as I'm stuck with them re all the lenses I've acquired.
I'm a stills news photographer and like many colleagues, the web has brought about new demands where you are increasingly asked to provide both stills and video coverage of a news item or feature.
at present it's a real pain as has added to the already back-breaking amount of eqpt we need to lug about and remember to keep charged.
having video capability in a digital SLR would be very valuable to me and, I reckon, quite a few others. All it needs, video quality-wise, is good enough for a decent video stream via web - that would do nicely for us, thank-you.

[Steve_S]

adammiller said:

Your not forced to buy this product so do yourself a favor and stop worrying about it if your not interested. Its ridiculous to act like you know exactly what everyone is looking for in a product.

Huh? Where did I say or even suggest everyone must have the same opinion as me? This is a forum to discuss new products. I've stated my opinion on the matter. That's what this forum is for. You have a choice of either agreeing with me (as some have) or disagreeing with me. However, attempting to stifle the opinions of others as you are apparently trying to - doesn't serve anyone's interest.

>I don't think that Nikon completely hit this the way they could have

Gee, isn't that what I said? The point I made was that if they were going to implement a feature, they should do it right. From your last sentence, even you seem to agree. So, what's your point?

>but like I said before,

This was your first post... what exactly do you think you've said "before"? ;-)

>its most likely the beginning of something we will se much more of in the future.

That's fine. That's very possible. My point was that I don't see the current implementation being very useful. Obviously, someone else may feel very differently about that. There is nothing wrong with either position.

>I think auto focus is something that these more inexperienced users may look for but if your not interested in using it, what do you care?

More importantly, why do you care if I share my opinion? My opinion wasn't stated as fact. The purpose of these forums are for discussion. Why are you so concerned about suppressing someone's opinion?

[Steve_S]

ineedmoresleep said:

I'm not sure where you get off saying the video feature isn't useful - you haven't used it yet. I'm basing my stance on fact.

Nice strawman argument. I never claimed "video feature isn't useful". However, I did make the point that it has to be implemented properly in order for it to be useful. But, you're right, I haven't used the D90 yet. Neither have you. Yet, somehow, you feel your position is somehow the same as "fact". Funny...

>These are the specs. Read them. If you still think it's useless then fine - I'll be enjoying them while you stand there being positive you were right.

I read the specs and I've provided my "opinion" based on the specs. Yes, without autofocus, that feature would be useless for me. If it works for you, that's great. It's not like I don't want it to work for you. I just have to laugh at how people argue over opinions and how some people mistake their own "opinions" for "facts" as you have.

[adammiller]

Get off your high horse man... your bitching and bitching. Your opinion is your opinion and thats fine but stop bitching. Keep posting on here about how bad this camera is... thats fine as well but your not getting anywhere as most people seem to be excited about it. I posted on here earlier as Adammiller... and this time as adammiller. You must have looked hard. You said they didn't do it right... thats your opinion. But since your speaking for yourself and not others, when you say they didn't do it right, really mean its not perfect for you correct? Your opinion is very uneducated and strait forward since your someone who hasn't used the camera. Its easy to not except something that is a bit unheard of or even something that you have never used. Im sure many people will share your opinion but this will be a welcome feature for just as many. Its a perfect camera for someone who is looking to get creative with a camera. That my opinion... no need to disagree with it since its my opinion... ill wait for the response though.

[Chris Breen]

Enough of this. Back on topic and knock off the personal comments.

[Moof_in_Charge]

PIPE DOWN EVERYONE:
Jeezuz, feels like someone said Vista is better than OS X at MacWorld... look; this camera isn't for everyone and if you consider yourself a video professional then you could find an easy target in ripping this camera apart.. but you are naive and misguided to do so as this camera is not targeted for your use. The mere fact that they could make an SLR camera to record is sheer ingenuity and you should respect that.
This feature will be a hit with many people, it's not for everyone as is the fact with every device ever manufactured.
the fact that the video camera works with replaceable lens is a huge boon in a market where the devices that offer this option start at ~$7000.
None of you also mentioned the first SLR camera that effectively manages to use the 3" LCD instead of the view finder or the amazing endless 4 pictures a second ability ... this is a hell of a machine! Trust me, this comes from a Canon guy (me)!

[People_Eater]

Steve_S said:

I'm sure the Nikon D90 is a fine camera, but I can't imagine the demand for video is very high on a dSLR camera, much less manual focus video.

I think you'd be wrong. Serious videographers and aspiring film-makers would be into this. Do you realize how much you need to spend to get a camcorder even remotely close to the capabilities of this camera?

Even for $10,000, you still don't get interchangeable lenses on a camcorder. Have you seen the crap quality of the average camcorder lens? With this, you get access to Nikon's entire world-class range of lenses, in a huge range of focal lengths and apertures. That allows a lot of creative control.

As for the lack of autofocus, serious videographers tend to use manual focus.

Bottom line is that this is an absolute bargain - $1,000 for a video setup that has features which are only available on the most expensive cameras. I teach video production, and when I mentioned the D90 to my class, at least a third of them expressed an intention to order one.

[People_Eater]

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Yeah, sure, about as "useful" as the video feature that comes with my point and shoot camera.

No, this is entirely different. Since when did your point and shoot have an amazing low-light-capable sensor, and the ability to choose from hundreds of different professional lenses?

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It's okay in a pinch, but it's not a replacement for my video camcorder.

What kind of camcorder do you have? If it's a typical consumer model, I'd bet that this would kill it in terms of image quality and creative control.

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However, 24fps is certainly the low end of the quality scale there as well.

You do realize that that's the frame rate used for motion picture films, don't you?

[Martian]

>> However, 24fps is certainly the low end of the quality scale there as well.
>You do realize that that's the frame rate used for motion picture films, don't you?

I wonder if the hardware isn?t capable of much higher frame rates, though most likely at much reduced but still usable resolution. If this is so, such capability may be just a firmware upgrade (or hack) away.

High frame rates are useful not only for slow motion, but also to select a still shot taken at the ?exact moment? during a sports play or the flame spread at launch pad rocket ignition.

But I echo what?s already been said ? this is a purpose built still SLR that has broken new ground with video as an added bonus.

[DrDUH]

Much as I hate "Me Too" postings, this is just exactly what I would have said!

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Steve_S said:

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> However, 24fps is certainly the low end of the quality scale there as well.

You do realize that that's the frame rate used for motion picture films, don't you?

The 'me to' film look doesn't make it better. Although Vimeo seemed to prefer it for distribution reasons, even at the detriment of people uploading HD at 30fps content. See this interesting Vimeo thread, and search for GPSchnyder and read his comment and the three that follow it.

[WildMan]

I had been thinking of upgrading to the D300 from my D70, but the D90 looks interesting. I already have a high-def video camera, but it would be nice to be able to quickly grab some video with my SLR. One thing I haven't seen mentioned, is whether there is a mic on the camera to capture any audio, or it is video only?

[ineedmoresleep]

yes there is a mic on camera. If you'd like to take a look there are high rez product shots up at nikonusa.com

[WildMan]

Thanks ineedmoresleep!