[Pascal007]

Don't you love it when "style over substance" sells as much ?

[adobephile]

heisetax said:

The comparison between the Intel MacBookAir & this Samsung x360 is another glaring example that Apple delivers more style than substance. Apple makes a nice looking 7" Intel MacBook Pro, but where is the numeric keypad? Not present like on the 17" HP laptop, & also not present on the Apple Al BoothTooth keyboard. Just more style over substance. These are just some of the things that make people want a Mac Clone. They want & need many more useful features than Steve Jobs think that we need.


Unless we take more design items in our own hands we'll have to be second or third level when it comes to our computers.


Since Samsung makes the SSD they can put more memory into theirs. What we need to compete at a closer useful feature level would be things like 160GB SSD with an internal 500GB hard drive. Numeric keypad as an option at least on the 17" laptop. I'd like to go the way that has more substance & then they can add all the style they want as long as they do not take away from the substance part.


If Apple would add more substance they would be better where it counts in real life & when yhou want good look Apple would still be far ahead of the competition.


We all need to ask Apple why we must be second class computer hardware users. The OS may be better, the hardware may look better, but with more good & useful hardware features can make up on those first 2 items.


Maybe some good Clones would make Apple feel the pressure. Better featured computers seem to make no difference. Rather than putting some good hardware substance in the Mac, things are left out becaue of style constraints,


Apple do a better job than Samsung, or is this a no-no because Samsung makes some of the Apple memory & other items?

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All this carping about Apple's business practices is funny. These guys are convinced that "everyone" is just like them, oblivious to historical lessons long since learned.

Apple allowing clones was a horrendous mistake of a long gone era, and it's baffling how anyone could still cling to the idea or hold out hope for such to re-occur.

"Style over substance"???? Yeah, right. Absolutely no substance there in the "Air". Wonder why they're selling so well. Maybe because it's style and no UNNECESSARY substance for many--not all, of course. That's why Apple makes different models for different purposes.

Though I was a bit put back at first about the prospect of no built-in optical drive, I realized that I don't even use one all that often on my iMac, kind of like never using floppy drives all that often years ago. If I had a Mac Book Air out and about, I think I'd appreciate the lighter weight and the LACK of "substance" as well as very much appreciate its aesthetic beauty.

I applaud Apple for its innovation and courage to commit to such new and unique designs, as well as its apparently keen perception of the real "needs and wants" of the marketplace, as evidenced by ever-rising sales statistics.

[Martian]

How about explaining why:
* Why the Air is a better computer because it doesn’t have Firewire — the best interface between a laptop and an external drive; and the standard interface for most video cameras? (Note Apple was a Firewire pioneer)
* Why the Air is a better computer because it doesn’t have Ethernet — the fastest and sometimes the only way to connect to networks? (Note Apple was a Gigabit Ethernet pioneer and a LAN pioneer)
* Why the Air is a better computer because it has a single USB port — forcing some to carry a USB hub?
* Why the Macbook “non-pros” are better because they are the only laptops that can’t take ExpressCards — therefore cannot connect to cellular networks that cover about a million times the area covered by WiFi; and cannot utilize many other 3rd party accessories?
* Why the Mac laptops are better because they don’t have memory card slots — the most efficient way to transfer many large files from digital cameras?
* Why the 17” Macbook Pro desktop replacement is a better computer because it wastes all that area that could be used for an extended numerical keyboard — the standard and most efficient way to input numerical data.
* Why the Mac Pro, big, heavy powerhouse desktop is a better computer because it doesn’t have eSATA?


What are the compensating advantages or trade-offs for these hardware deficiencies?



More often than not, Apple is an OS leader and a hardware follower. There must be some compensating advantages all these hardware limitations,



When you answer, please don’t bore us with inconvenient, clumsy workarounds like Airport Express, hubs, card readers or other dongles.

[darkgoob]

Eight months after the Macbook Air introduction, Samsung has a plastic-clad response. Eight months.

They also put out the Instinct, a cheapo iPhone immitation. Yawn.

You do realize that in just a couple of weeks, Apple is going to be releasing a new MacBook Air with updated specs.. right? I promise it won't take Apple eight months.

[heisetax]

It usually take Apple about a year to update their computers now In the case of the Intel Mac Pro that was more like 17 months. It sounds like a few more months before Apple updates its weak Intel Mac Book Air. Apple has a way to go before they are the small man on the block. You need to look to see how long it is before Apple updates their computers & iPods. iPods are about a year apart. The iPhone 3G is probably the model they were pushing for in the beginning but had to wait the length of time between the introduction of the first iPhone until the last update for the tinished product.

We all hope that Apple would put more substance into their products. Too often style wins out over substance. The Intel Mac Book Air will always easilly win the style contest. Now Apple just needs to put more substance into a new model. Maybe they can do this by Christmas time. Mac World sounds like a good logical time.

[heisetax]

Apple does. Apple's sharholders do. I'd like to see a little more substance in some of these stylish products.

[heisetax]

The Intel Mac Book Air doesn't need FW because Steve Jobs has now decreed that USB is better than FW. Then throw is Ethernet with that Why does anyone need the slow Gigabit ethernet when the slower & not always available wireless MAY BE there.What Mac User has more than 1 USB product?

If the Intel Bac Book has an ExpressCard slot they would take away many (most) of the Intel Mac Book Semi Pro, I mean Pro models sales. Because of style there will be no Mac laptop that will ever have built-in memory card slots. We all own FW800 memory card readers & like carrying a lot of extras for our all-in-20 laptops.

No Mac User in their right mind would want to input a lot of numbers in their Mac Laptop. If they did Steve Jobs in his infinate wisdom would have included a numeric keypad with his new BlueTooth AL keyboard. I know that I would feel dumb if I didn't have a reason to carry a whole keyboard or at least a numeric keypad with my 17" Apple laptop. I do enter a few numbers in my Accounting & tax prep business. But I forgot, I was supposed to change to Windows in my line of business. My Intel Mac Pro is close enough to a Windows computer for me.

Because Apple has already installed FW3200 in its Pro desktops & laptops,why would they need the more cumbersome eSATA connections. O! I forgot that is just a dream that I wish would come true.

I mean what would you rather have: Style & Dongles or Substance from the Beginning. I know which one I'd like in my Mac. And its probably a lot closer to what yu want than many of the others seem to around here. I know that I make my entire living with my Mac. I just wish that Apple could make the hardware part a little easier for us. They have us hooked with the OS, now they need to work on the hardware a little more.

[heisetax]

as stated by another, "I applaud Apple for its
innovation and courage to commit to such new and unique designs, as
well as its apparently keen perception of the real "needs and wants" of
the marketplace, as evidenced by ever-rising sales statistics." Some believe that MicroSoft, its Windows OS, & many of its products are new & innovative also. That means there are people out there that belive thatwe are following the wrong product. If you go by sales then it seems as if you have lost your argument. It seems that MS is selling more copies of Windows & thus those like Samsung sell more Windows computers than our lone champion, Apple.

You may want to use something other than sales to prove your side of the argument. Remember I'm a nearly 25 year Mac User & the only Windows computers I have are a couple that were given to me to fix & keep or use for parts. That plus my 2 year old Intel Mac Pro are the only computers I've ever had that will boot natively into Windows. I came to the Mac in 1984 from a Heath=Kit. I have never been an Apple supporter, just a Mac supporter in a field that is 99% + Windows almost only area of computing. So do not call me a Windows Troll.

I am just one that wants to see better hardware to run our Mac OS on. If it be from other hardware manufacturers so be it. Apple has done that by making the new Intel Macs be able to boot indows natively. They did the same that the current Clone Makers have done. They have just followed Apples lead. Apple is just not as sure of itself as MS is in its license system. The IBM, then the IBM Clone total market holder is why Apple doesn't want to let their OS be used on other hardware. They just want to follow MS's lead & be a monopoly.

You can purchase your Style over Substance Mac, I'd just to purchase one with a little more substance & let the style fall where the substance takes it.

[heisetax]

As bad as you may think that they are, they so sell a few models. Maybe with better style in your eyes they'd sell more, maybe less. If they can sell theirs & Apple can sell their stylish models, with or without enugh substance, who's to say which models is better. Most of us like Macs better here so it is easy to forget that even with Apple's much larger sales than before & its expansion into the electronic trinkit market, that Apple is still not the majority computer seller.

Remember to use facts, not your Apple leaning feelings here.

[KPOM]

darkgoob said:

Eight months after the Macbook Air introduction, Samsung has a plastic-clad response. Eight months.

You do realize that in just a couple of weeks, Apple is going to be releasing a new MacBook Air with updated specs.. right? I promise it won't take Apple eight months.

True, but Lenovo had their similarly-specced notebook out about a month after Apple did. No surprise that Lenovo and Apple had similar product development cycles (Lenovo's was in the works when Apple announced the Air). Toshiba had a sub-2lb notebook out 2 years ago.