[Ilgaz]

So we can't say anything bad about Apple or should not have issue with Leopard, especially we shouldn't tell them on public forums. God forbid we should remind them about the COMPUTERS and OPERATING SYSTEMS rather than iPod/Phone toys.

I didn't know I have joined a cult.

[Ilgaz]

Hello,

No, there is no reason to hide game name, it is World War 2 online from Playnet Inc. Of course I have reported both to Apple (bugreporter.apple.com, not feedback or forums) and the game vendor itself, even posted to its forums to find out if there are anyone having issues.

It is a Quad G5 running Nvidia 6600 issue I am sure. Apple somehow decided to ignore its most expensive PowerPC based workstation. The game is not a big deal but low graphics performance has a very big potential to cost me really much as I am a video editor and in our business, once frame rate goes below the PAL standard, the digital betacam stops. I may end up leasing a PC.

There is 1 other guy I found having horrible graphics performance problems and who has been ignored by Apple, he is another Quad G5 with NVidia 6600 owner.

I have seriously questioned my choice after the ignorance by Apple since in our business, it is common to get problems fixed in half an hour if you use PC/Tyan etc. based Windows AVID.

Also as Apple has potential to announce Snow Leopard, let me tell another thing. They are seriously hurting our software support and machines prestige by NOT explaining why Snow Leopard won't release for PPC. It is not because it is "dead" or "horrible", it is because Intel performs way better if native 64bit mode is chosen along with kernel. I am not a developer of any kind, I had to seek programmers help for possible reasons of Snow Leopard being Intel only.

A single "developer note" (I understand they don't like to tell Intel weaknesses) could be enough.

[foolishpuck]

Well, considering that:

1. Blinkers are not exactly cutting edge technology
2. A malfunctioning blinker can get you ticketed or potentially cause an accident
3. I just dropped $50K on the thing

Yeah, I'd be a little pissed that the blinker doesn't work. The point that you're missing is that 90% of the complaints with the iPhone 3g and the 2.0 firmware are bugs impacting core functionality, i.e. they are problems with what makes the iPhone a phone. So yeah, it is a big deal, and it's a black eye for the company (along with fanboys like yourself) who take so much glee in mocking "the other guy" for BSODs and having to so software restores, etc. Apple really needs to make fixing these issue priority #1.

ntrpy said:

Oh well, it's clear y'all are the fanboys who just can't seem to get Apple to make the exact product you want.

You want to know the "exact product" I want? One that works as advertised, and Apple is failing on that count with the new iPhone and updated firmware. You really need to get a grip and drop the melodrama.

[palane]

Illgaz - you made a public complaint and then claimed your issue was none of the other poster's business.I had the same thought as wondercow.

This much having been said, the level of detail you provided is useful.It does sound like a legitimate gripe.Any chance of dropping back down to 10.4? Unfortunately, it's a 3 year old machine and Apple's resources are looking forwards.

BB

[Ilgaz]

What I can't accept is, the Leopard Family License , a $170 thing in the area (Bought from HK, on a trip) and my Machine is getting blamed for Apple's faults.

They could at least act like they were caring about it. In Apple model of things, you can't contact ATI or Nvidia regarding a driver issue too. Apple is the only potential helper of the issue.

This is a workstation class machine, 3 years isn't really old on Workstations especially when they have 4 processors and 16GB of max RAM. I know a recent Hollywood production which the entire sound was done on a G5 1600 with max memory and M-Audio, SCSI stuff installed.

If this was a "iMac" or Mac Mini (which I got, runs Leopard all fine), I would expect the issue but serious, that basic FPS issue and while it can be fixed via downgrading a $170 OS to 10.4.11 can make me change my entire future computing.

I am not from "Windows user got infected by virus" or "Evil BillG" camp. I changed to G5 1600 from Tyan Xeon based workstation just by reason of machine not booting, in 1 day.

While concentrating on iPhone and iPod, Apple loses people like us. Nothing else. It is their choice but they should be open about it. If they can't manage to keep PPC/Leopard fine, they shouldn't release it at first place.

Not just having problems, I constantly get blamed for not replacing a working machine.

[MacKayaker]

As another owner of a G5 based system (dual 2.7 GHz) who has run into some video card related issues - I would suggest - not that you should have to do this - that you consider upgrading the card to a newer ATI card, as it does a couple of things. Provides a more current platform for video graphics support, which is always an ever evolving, moving target, at best. And - if you run into an issue with that card, you can contact ATI directly.



I'm not absolving Apple from not providing solid support for a very expensive system - not at all, but life is short and Apple seems far more committed to consumer media electroncs than to the computers and operating system and related software on those systems. So, as a user sometimes we have to work around this kind of foolishness - rather than get burned up about it.



Cheers!

[Wondercow]

Ilgaz said:

So we can't say anything bad about Apple or should not have issue with Leopard, especially we shouldn't tell them on public forums. God forbid we should remind them about the COMPUTERS and OPERATING SYSTEMS rather than iPod/Phone toys.

I didn't know I have joined a cult.

It would seem that either your reading comprehension is not very good or you're so blinded by what you want to see in my comment that you'll find it, no matter what was really said.

--The person to whom I replied-- You said, in essence, "mind your own business!". I pointed out that if one is posting in a public forum then the comment is open to all who wish to reply.

Please do relax a little and learn to read.

[Grapho]

MacKayaker said:

As another owner of a G5 based system (dual 2.7 GHz) who has run into some video card related issues - I would suggest - not that you should have to do this - that you consider upgrading the card to a newer ATI card, as it does a couple of things. Provides a more current platform for video graphics support, which is always an ever evolving, moving target, at best. And - if you run into an issue with that card, you can contact ATI directly.





I'm not absolving Apple from not providing solid support for a very expensive system - not at all, but life is short and Apple seems far more committed to consumer media electroncs than to the computers and operating system and related software on those systems. So, as a user sometimes we have to work around this kind of foolishness - rather than get burned up about it.





Cheers!

Now that is a productive solution. I know that the last thing people want to do is throw more money at the problem, but lets face it. Getting an upgradable tower means this. You can always upgrade certain components. The benefits of a more modern card also would translate in to better performance aside of better support.

[Steve_S]

Grapho said:

Personally 720p is good enough for my aging eyes. From 10' away, I dare anybody to see de deference. I think as geeks we get enamored with technical aspects, but reality is reality. I hear a lot about the crap compression that is used on iTunes tracks, I can't hear the deference. Maybe someone can see or hear the deference, but in the end it's all perception and every bodies milage will vary. Personally, I think my money would be better spent in a new pair of glasses. :-)

Well, I'm sure there is some truth in the geek / technical specs reference. All the same, if you have a 1080p set, you'd expect to leverage that resolution if possible. I can definitely tell a difference between 720p and 1080p. But, in order to see the difference, you TV must be capable of displaying the difference. Also, your source material must be equally sharp, etc. is 720p good enough? Probably for most. Similarly, with audio compression, you'd be challenged to tell the difference using the more common Apple ear buds or relatively inexpensive speakers, etc. But, with the right audio equipment, there is a difference. I can readily tell the difference between Apple tracks that were originally coded in 128bit and the newer 256bit/sec. tracks. However, there does seem to be a point of diminishing returns. I generally can't tell the difference between 256bps and 320bps for example. Also, if I don't get a chance to hear the same song encoded in a different format immediately after the other version of a song, I wouldn't know the difference.

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Are movies 5:1 now for the AppleTV?

Apparently, yes. Apple movies are available with Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound.

[Ilgaz]

If the only need is showing movies, Apple TV I would choose a 720P Plasma or higher end LCD rather than a 1080P LCD which can't display black no matter how hard you try.
I replied to you but it is a general tip to people.
Plasma's big problem is of course regular computer usage which same picture stays for ages.

[Grapho]

You are right, I do own a 1080p flat screen, and I do want the content to be 1080p if possible. But to tell you the truth, what I have watched that was 720p from the Apple TV, looked pretty dam good. I was pleasantly surprised. The Apple TV has other more apparent flaws, some have been addressed by the iPhone application Remote, other will have to be address by a software update, ether way the resolution is not much of a concern to me at this point. Also the feasibility of it happening considering the current established internet infrastructure, would probably mean that this last one would have to be considerably upgraded before 1080p could be efficiently delivered. Compatibly speaking, the file size is more then twice when comparing both resolutions against each other.

[Gatesbasher]

Ilgaz said:

So we can't say anything bad about Apple or should not have issue with Leopard, especially we shouldn't tell them on public forums. God forbid we should remind them about the COMPUTERS and OPERATING SYSTEMS rather than iPod/Phone toys.

I didn't know I have joined a cult.

It's sort of an anticult, if there is such a word. On another supposedly Apple-related forum (I won't mention any names, just in case some of the same people are on here), on a thread relating to the bugs people had been experiencing with Leopard, I made the mistake of posting that FWIW, Leopard had been working fine for me, with no issues at all, from 10.5.0.

I was immediately inundated in flames saying "Get your head out of Jobs' a$$!" "You brain-dead fanbois need to be taken out and shot!" and "How much did they pay you to spread this crap?" I was also informed in no uncertain terms that not having problems was not information, only complaints constituted information, and that I had no business clogging up the thread with this useless filler.

I have trouble understanding the self-loathing that seems to be an inseparable feature of Apple-oriented forums. Much as I hate the Windows fanboys, at least their outward-directed hatred is a normal human mechanism. This masochistic undercurrent in the Apple "cult" is puzzling, to say the least.

[folklore]

Gatesbasher said:

I have trouble understanding the self-loathing that seems to be an inseparable feature of Apple-oriented forums. Much as I hate the Windows fanboys, at least their outward-directed hatred is a normal human mechanism. This masochistic undercurrent in the Apple "cult" is puzzling, to say the least.

I think there's a fair amount of "you must have a nonstandard configuration" in Apple forums. The result is some folks who have problems are over-sensitive to that. When coupled with the generally atrocious grammar and occasionally obvious sub-par reading comprehension skills evident in most Internet forums, the over-sensitivity can sound a lot like hostility.

It's a shame, really, because finding out what the difference is between configurations that work and ones that don't is usually the first step in resolving problems.

[Wondercow]

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Ilgaz said:

> So we can't say anything bad about Apple or should not have issue with Leopard, especially we shouldn't tell them on public forums. God forbid we should remind them about the COMPUTERS and OPERATING SYSTEMS rather than iPod/Phone toys.
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> I didn't know I have joined a cult.

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I was immediately inundated in flames saying "Get your head out of Jobs' a$$!" "You brain-dead fanbois need to be taken out and shot!" and "How much did they pay you to spread this crap?" I was also informed in no uncertain terms that not having problems was not information, only complaints constituted information, and that I had no business clogging up the thread with this useless filler.

Wow; that's harsh.

For the record--and I think that I have already established this, but I'll re-iterate--I was not dismissing Ilgaz 's experience nor was I calling him out for having posted his complaint (lest anyone think differently).